mandymoochops

maybe they should introduce scoreless hockey, may make Luongo feel a bit better

canadablade

I take it you have not read the posts by maryland on this, so I will try and explain it again.

By taking away scores and standings you do no take away the competetiveness of the sport, kids still want to win the games, the difference is it does not become WIN AT ALL COSTS, coaches can relax without the parental pressure that is heaped upon them to win the play-offs, parents don’t get as involved with screaming at players that miss open goals from 3 yards. players can experiment with diferent techniques knowing their mistakes will not be greeted by mass hysteria from the sidelines.

In a survey of former youth athletes in the states it was interesting to see that their worst memories from their time playing various youth sports was not losing, it was the car ride home.

Two quotes from Wenger

At a young age winning is not the most important thing… the important thing is to develop creative and skilled players with good confidence.
Arsene Wenger

Young players need freedom of expression to develop as creative players… they should be encouraged to try skills without fear of failure.
Arsene Wenger

A question for all the hysterical over achieving parents posting on this.

Why do the english academies and schools of excellence practice no standings or recorded scores ?

GavinR

All sounds a bit PC and weak minded to me.

canadablade

What about narrow minded

GavinR

I agree, imposing their weak minded views on the poor kids

canadablade

Just a point I raised earlier, ENGLISH ACADEMY TEAMS practice no scores and standings from ages 10-16.

The french academies of which there are nine countrywide, players do not even play games until they are deemed technically proficient, after that all games are viewed as training sessions in order to improve technique.

It was also pointed out earlier that in Brazil competetive games don't start until the players are u,14

But don't let small things like facts get in the way of your open mindedness

I ask this Gavin, what makes you qualified enough to have an informed opinion on LTPD ?

Thanks

Oakvillian

I wasn't going to wade in on this one, but I think all the "oh, it's all too PC for words" complainers illustrate perfectly one of the main reasons leagues like the Calgary one take the decision not to post scores.

It may be that the thread title is a bit misleading. Nobody (except those who have deliberately misunderstood or are too blinkered to read what has been written) is suggesting preventing kids from scoring goals. It is simply that the club or league organisers keep no record of the score, and do not post standings or league tables.

Given that I have no background in playing or coaching soccer (I played rugby and ran cross-country at school before becoming an oarsman at uni) it was with some trepidation that I volunteered to coach my kids' teams this year. Girls' under-5 is hilarious... they play 4 on 4, substituting freely from a squad of 10. Most of the parents are so busy laughing they really don't care what the score is, and the girls have a bundle of fun, win or lose. Boys' under-8 is a little more serious: it's the first year the league is streamed, so the better players (typically those who've had winter-season coaching) are in an "A" league and the play-for-fun crowd are in a "B" league. Within the house league, at both levels, scores and standings are not posted by the club, but you can be damn sure the boys all know who won their game, and they certainly play to win.

As Md Ned said, the biggest problem is the adults - parents and coaches who don't get that it's about developing skills more than scoring goals. my local club's rules are fairly straightforward: coaches (even untrained volunteer coaches) will be removed if they don't give all players equal playing time or if they encourage winning at all costs. Equally, coaches can eject parents from the sideline, and their child from the game, if the parents are too aggressive in their encouragement (or are negative towards other players on either team). Usually, I gather, the child is so embarrassed by their parent's behaviour that it doesn't need to go further than a friendly warning, but the very fact that the club has to issue a "guidelines for parents" booklet is a bit mind-boggling.

Of course, when the players get to the level of skill and enthusiasm they need to progress to representative teams, league tables and statistics become that much more important. But house leagues for young children should absolutely be about developing that skill and enthusiasm more than about winning matches.

maximumthrust

I probably should have paid more attention, one of the many floors in my character.
All I said was its not Soccer - its called FOOTBALL! This is the Expats forum
and I hate the term Soccer arrggghhhh.
I stand by my view on that we invented the game and thats that.

I also strongly believe that the research carried out by the FA is well founded
and true, quite simply the size 5 ball is to heavy for underdeveloped ligaments and joints and damage is caused.

I also think its in a childs nature to compete against each other.

I agree with you about negative comments and shouting at the players that have made errors - that is unacceptable and I fail to see how it could ever improve a player. I felt so strongly about this that I removed my son from a club 3 years ago (UK longfield Tigers) to a another club.

As for no scores? Well thats what training sessions are for so they do happen.

Quoting 'Smelly Finger' from the failing Gooners - was it 4th this year?
I have another quote from him ' I did not see it'

As for the 12 - 14 year old groupings, I think it is utterly stupid I really do.
A 14 year old is so much stronger it invites injury.
The Canadian FA have got this so wrong, but perhaps like Smelly Finger from the Emirates they have there hands over there eyes or look the other way and simply say ' I did not see it'

I don't have any views on most of your comments, but if you post a view here some people will not always agree with you.

Perhaps we can agree on something?
It seems that the Canadian FA is every bit as arrogant as the English FA?

mandymoochops

a) you don't have to be qualified to make a comment - if that were the case you wouldn't get many people on here commenting about a lot. It's about an opinion.

b) mine differs from yours - and my opinion is it's all a bit new wave for me.

mandymoochops

Presumably by this you mean everyone that doesn't agree with the scoreless system??????

Answer to your question, um actually don't give a toss. Didn't seem to hurt the footballers of yesteryear did it.

GavinR

This is a forum, I don't have to be qualified to give an informed opinion. I was just a kid playing soccer once and would have been pretty pissed if you worked your arse off all season and then there was no recognition of it at the end. Winning and losing is a life skill that should be taught from an early age.

Alan2005

http://loseloose.com/

GavinR

This came through on my email today: I think I deleted all the swearing from it! Apparently posted on Sheffield Wednesday's website but who knows.


I'm feeling all angry about these modern day footballers, I know why they have gone all soft - It's because of poncy names. That's what it is.

Remember the old days, when footy players kicked a f..ing ball made out of ten pound of clay stitched inside a steel-reinforced leather shell with laces made out of piano wire?

Well, in them days, players could only survive the rigours of the game because they were called things like Albert, Arthur, Bert, Harry, Bill, Eddie, Bob, Jack and Tommy. F...ing tough names for tough men, them was!

And what do we have now? Jason, Wayne, Dean, Ryan, Jamie, Robbie.
F...ing tarts' names, they are great big f...ing puffs. No wonder the ball's like a f...ing balloon and shin pads is like slices of bread. In the old days you never saw a Len Shackleton or a Billy Wright with a puffy little Sondico piece of paper down his little thin socks. F...ing shin pads in them days was made out of library books, and sock’s was like sackcloth.

Same with the jerseys, f...ing shirts with holes in now so they can breathe. Yes, so that little Jody's hairless chest can breathe and he doesn't get a chill. F... off. Stanley Matthews used to dribble round Europe's finest wearing a f...ing tent and shorts cobbled together from the jacket of his de-mob suit. Aye, he f...ing did. No wonder players fall over all the time whenever an opponent comes anywhere near them.

And they never used to show their arses at one another either. Can you imagine what might have happened if Don Revie had flashed his ring at Nat Lofthouse during a City-Bolton Wanderers game? He'd have got one of
them size 10 hobnail ****ers up his bastard chuff.

****ing therapy for stress my arse! Stan Collymore slaps his missus about and he takes three seasons off with stress counselling. What the f... is that all about? In the old days it was expected for footballers to belt the old sow about a bit, especially after a bad defeat. And the women used to expect it, and so they should have. They was lucky to be married to footballers. Ha! Trevor Morley got a kitchen knife in his back off his wife and was out of action for three month, soft twat. Archie McShitt of Port Vale got run over with horse and cart one Friday night and he still turned out against Bradford the following day and he scored two goals.

That's co’s his name wasn't "Trevor". Good old Archie. Broke his hip, both his legs, murdered his wife and buried her under the patio and still made the England team for the Home Internationals. Did he have any "stress
counselling"? Did he bollocks!

And drugs? There was none of that in the old days. Oh, no. In them days it was a quick shot of morphine before kick-off and you was lucky if you got that. By half-time it had all but wore off so they pumped you full of laudanum. None of this cocaine sniffing and shooting up Class A narcotics.

‘Goal celebrations’? Don't talk to me about goal celebrations. Crawling on the floor and thrusting their hips at the crowd. Huh! I'd like to have seen Cliff Bastin do that after a run down the left flank and crossing for Alex James to fire home a winner. Handshakes...and that was all you got, that and a wank in the showers afterwards. But it was a proper wank, all man stuff. None of these puffy wanks between blokes that you get nowadays with players like Greame Le Saux and Stephen Gerrard.

Allegedly, In them days there was now’t wrong with it cos it didn't mean now’t. They used to say there was a "gay atmosphere" in the dressing room after the match. But it didn't mean owt mucky. Just a bit of harmless spanking the plank among healthy young sportsmen, aye. I know me dad told me.

Sixty grand a f...ing week! Ha! I wouldn't pay 'em tuppence. Two bob Tommy Lawton used to get...a month! And Tom Finney still worked as a plumber four days a week when he was playing for England. It's true, you know, it f...ing is. Players had to work in them days just to make up their money. Not like today.

Stan Pearson had to clean sewers and doubled up as Old Trafford shithouse cleaner. He had to go off during one game because some c..t had built a log cabin and blocked the U-bend. And that Eddie Hapgood was a male model...though he never liked to talk about it.

So I say we start calling kids real male names again. If you're having a kid, don't even consider puffy names and shit names like what people call their kids these days. Otherwise what we gonna get in twenty years' time?

The England team full of players called Keanu, Ronan, Ashley and ****ing Chesney. F... that! Call your kids Alf, Herbert, Len, Frank, Fred and Wilf. And let's get the puffs out of the game once and for all.

dbd33

"Gavin" posted this?

GavinR

Gavin's a real mans name.