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Old May 16th 2013 | 7:40 pm
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Originally Posted by floatsy
one of the ones who ignored is a Brit. Guess adaption is par for the course
Not sure its adapatation, as per whats been previously said there are twats everywhere and they could move to another country but they would still be a twat.
 
Old May 16th 2013 | 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by floatsy
Just to add some positive bells and whistles on my depressing thread there have been others who have all responded professionally to my "reach outs". In my old ancient world, responding was just called professionalism. But I will adapt. PS one of the ones who ignored is a Brit. Guess adaption is par for the course
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Not sure its adapatation, as per whats been previously said there are twats everywhere and they could move to another country but they would still be a twat.
A rather sweeping judgement perhaps? You don't know this person, they might take the "when in Rome" attitude. You don't have to like it, but it seems you will have to lump it. That's they way it's done over there, because it's different to what you are used to here, or somewhere else in the world, doesn't make it wrong. Canadian employers possibly think UK employers are weird in they way they do contact people who they are not going to employ. They might also think less of UK potential employees who can't take nothing for an answer, as opposed to "no thanks". But I don't know.
Let's see how we act having spent 10 years over there if and when we need to hire someone..
 
Old May 16th 2013 | 9:29 pm
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My dad works in an industry that's not doing wonderfully at the moment (though it's recovering). I asked him about his job experiences yesterday; he was job hunting about two years ago, but he's seen a huge mix of responses from companies. One company called him after the second interview to say they weren't proceeding with him, but game him some useful feedback. Another one he did SIX interviews, and then just had radio silence. He tried following up, as did the recruiter who set him up in the first place, and the company didn't respond to either of them. SIX interviews!!!

So there was a pretty big mix of responses, some were nice and some were just douchey. For what it's worth, my dad was applying to reasonably senior positions as well, and still had the mix of responses even at that level!
 
Old May 16th 2013 | 9:30 pm
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I don't go with the when in Rome concept though, as I do not feel all Canadian employers are like as suggested not willing to send a thank but no thanks communication. I think its more to do with certain peoples attitudes, most of the employers I have contacted In Canada have responded to me, so I would not generalise that all employers in Canada do not bother to contact people. Hence why I suggested perhaps this Brit was the way he was prior to his arrival in Canada and was not merely adapting to a perceived culture.
 
Old May 16th 2013 | 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Bucks_Family
A rather sweeping judgement perhaps? You don't know this person, they might take the "when in Rome" attitude. You don't have to like it, but it seems you will have to lump it. That's they way it's done over there, because it's different to what you are used to here, or somewhere else in the world, doesn't make it wrong. Canadian employers possibly think UK employers are weird in they way they do contact people who they are not going to employ. They might also think less of UK potential employees who can't take nothing for an answer, as opposed to "no thanks". But I don't know.
Let's see how we act having spent 10 years over there if and when we need to hire someone..
Well I was recently dealing with a travel company -- I checked a few and decided to go for a cheaper company. The first company emailed me a couple of weeks later to follow up. I could definitely have ignored her. She was a "nobody", they would always take my business again ie. consequences were neglible, there were a hundred other reps in that company, and they didn't have the best price anyway.

Regardless, she sent a personal message and I emailed her back, thanked her for her great service, commended her to her manager (as she was courteous throughout). And I am living in a country where manners is not first rate.

Sure you can take on whatever habits you want to, but please don't give others a hard time about choosing who ya gonna be.
 
Old May 17th 2013 | 12:24 am
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Originally Posted by floatsy
Well I was recently dealing with a travel company -- I checked a few and decided to go for a cheaper company. The first company emailed me a couple of weeks later to follow up. I could definitely have ignored her. She was a "nobody", they would always take my business again ie. consequences were neglible, there were a hundred other reps in that company, and they didn't have the best price anyway.

Regardless, she sent a personal message and I emailed her back, thanked her for her great service, commended her to her manager (as she was courteous throughout). And I am living in a country where manners is not first rate.

Sure you can take on whatever habits you want to, but please don't give others a hard time about choosing who ya gonna be.
I'm not suggesting everyone automatically has to adopt the Canadian way of treating candidates / customers, but some immigrants will choose to do just that, and others won't. I hope I'll keep my British manners, but only time will tell.
The only person I was giving a remotely tough time to was Mikeypm as I thought he was being rather judgemental about someone whom we don't know anything. That person might well be a t*at, but they might just be in a position where they have chosen to act like their Canadian boss, perhaps against their better instincts.
 
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Originally Posted by floatsy
Just to add some positive bells and whistles on my depressing thread there have been others who have all responded professionally to my "reach outs". In my old ancient world, responding was just called professionalism. But I will adapt. PS one of the ones who ignored is a Brit. Guess adaption is par for the course
Your "reach outs"?! No wondering your applications are trending red.
 
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"Reaching out". Right up there with "going forward", "socialise x", and "diarise this meeting".

I work in Consulting, and I spent about 95% of the time wanting to blow my brains out.

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Old May 17th 2013 | 1:23 am
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Originally Posted by Bucks_Family
I'm not suggesting everyone automatically has to adopt the Canadian way of treating candidates / customers, but some immigrants will choose to do just that, and others won't. I hope I'll keep my British manners, but only time will tell.
The only person I was giving a remotely tough time to was Mikeypm as I thought he was being rather judgemental about someone whom we don't know anything. That person might well be a t*at, but they might just be in a position where they have chosen to act like their Canadian boss, perhaps against their better instincts.
This particular person was an independent, but noted.
 
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Your "reach outs"?! No wondering your applications are trending red.
You think that is the reason? Funny.
 
Old May 17th 2013 | 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
"Reaching out". Right up there with "going forward", "socialise x", and "diarise this meeting".

I work in Consulting, and I spent about 95% of the time wanting to blow my brains out.

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Work or worked.

I have heard these terms a plenty in the States.

There is also nothing wrong with going forward anyway. You know, going forward I hope we can discuss this in a better way
 
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Originally Posted by floatsy
You think that is the reason? Funny.
Yesterday I saw a status report describing something that's broken but might be fixed as being "in amber status trending green".

Each day I'm obliged to attend a stand up status meeting at which I say I have pro-actively reached out and had a conversation, yesterday I revised my report to say that I had pro-actively reached out and had a green trending conversation. No one noticed.

People turn off completely at the first gibber, you can go forward as much as you like after that. If you want a job though I think you're better served to use English.
 
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Anything else besides the "reach out" that ruffled your English detector, db33?
 
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Anything else besides the "reach out" that ruffled your English detector, db33?
I've seen no other jargon.
 
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*work, and the second line should be "spend", not "spent". Good catch.
 


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