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Is it REALLY much better????

Old Jun 15th 2012, 10:14 am
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Default Re: Is it REALLY much better????

Originally Posted by Steve_
That all sounds a bit vague to me, you need to better define your reasons for doing it.

"Access to the outdoors" is something I hear a lot and one of the reasons I moved, well, more accurately I was sick of people living so close together, but the reality is that if you are an outdoors person the weather here has to be a major consideration.

Getting your career going in Canada can be pretty difficult, the govt is welcoming of immigrants and the businesses usually are too, it's the bit in the middle that is the real problem. Professional associations, qualifications, training you must have that you can't get, unions, etc.

All of which is designed to create a closed shop.

I wouldn't mind so much if there was more honesty on that point but the main reason put forward are fluffy statements like "maintain standards" and "best practice" and stuff like that, which I would have sympathy with if you're coming from an LDC, but coming from most parts of Europe, Australia, etc. it's stupid. Because the reality is that Canada is not the gold standard.

You sit there reading through their requirements or in the training thinking: "what a load of crap".

I suppose the more PC way of looking at it is a lack of "competitive dynamism". Or some other buzz phrase.

All I can say is, look at the time spent on provincial free trade agreements because of all the bureaucracy. Says it all really: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-wine-law.html
Exactly what we face on a daily basis with our business! Certainly on the West coast here we find it pretty parochial in outlook.
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Old Jun 15th 2012, 11:38 am
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Default Re: Is it REALLY much better????

Originally Posted by Steve_
Getting your career going in Canada can be pretty difficult, the govt is welcoming of immigrants and the businesses usually are too, it's the bit in the middle that is the real problem. Professional associations, qualifications, training you must have that you can't get, unions, etc.

All of which is designed to create a closed shop.

I wouldn't mind so much if there was more honesty on that point but the main reason put forward are fluffy statements like "maintain standards" and "best practice" and stuff like that, which I would have sympathy with if you're coming from an LDC, but coming from most parts of Europe, Australia, etc. it's stupid. Because the reality is that Canada is not the gold standard.

You sit there reading through their requirements or in the training thinking: "what a load of crap".

I suppose the more PC way of looking at it is a lack of "competitive dynamism". Or some other buzz phrase.
True but isn't that true no matter where you go? Is kinda bullshit the hoops you have to jump through and it's only going to get worse.

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thinking: "what a load of crap".
Been there, done that on several occasions trying to convince some smuck that I actually know how to do my job - I can sweep up as good as the rest of them
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Old Jun 15th 2012, 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by el_richo
Probably as many people live in them as they do chav infested hell holes
the vast majority of the UK's population live in the larger urban areas, I'd say as much as 70 percent. Hardly hob knobbing with the vicar, sailing regattas and cucumber sandwiches is it?

Something like 60 percent of greater manchester lives below the poverty line. I'd expect that's typical of a lot of the UK, north of the watford gap.

Not to say that Canada is all log cabins and ice skating, but the UK has it's grim side too. Very, very grim in some areas i'd say.
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Old Jun 15th 2012, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Oink
You'll be in good company. Loads of Scotch have moved to Canada. I think they find the long cold miserable winters and lack of cultural excitement familiar.
why are you banging on about this culture crap....funny that i have never once in 20 plus years, ever felt deprived leaving the UK's culture behind.
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Old Jun 15th 2012, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by el_richo
15% drop forecasted for Vancouver so at least it'll bring prices a little closer to its natural levels
id say more than that. Inventory is on the rise and slowest spring sales in 10 years. Prices on teh west side are already down 12 percent. I'd say more like 25 - 30 percent. 3 years and owners will be under water.
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Old Jun 15th 2012, 3:48 pm
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id say more than that. Inventory is on the rise and slowest spring sales in 10 years. Prices on teh west side are already down 12 percent. I'd say more like 25 - 30 percent. 3 years and owners will be under water.
Heres hoping
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Old Jun 15th 2012, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Boy d
the vast majority of the UK's population live in the larger urban areas, I'd say as much as 70 percent. Hardly hob knobbing with the vicar, sailing regattas and cucumber sandwiches is it?

Something like 60 percent of greater manchester lives below the poverty line. I'd expect that's typical of a lot of the UK, north of the watford gap.

Not to say that Canada is all log cabins and ice skating, but the UK has it's grim side too. Very, very grim in some areas i'd say.
Funnily, according to the following sites, 80.7% of the population of england living in urban areas and 19.3% in rural. Canada has 81% versus 19%.

Interestingly, that shows more people in Canada live in urban areas, as defined.

http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=34

http://www.defra.gov.uk/statistics/f...oard-May11.pdf
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Originally Posted by el_richo
Funnily, according to the following sites, 80.7% of the population of england living in urban areas and 19.3% in rural. Canada has 81% versus 19%.

Interestingly, that shows more people in Canada live in urban areas, as defined.

http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=34

http://www.defra.gov.uk/statistics/f...oard-May11.pdf
i suspect its much the same with all industrialized nations. The point was not to suggest that there was anything inherently wrong with urban living, but it certainly challenges the view of an idealized view of life in England, of thatched cottages, the village green and sarnies with the vicar.

When i think of cities i have lived in in the UK vs Vancouver, I know where i'd rather be.

Mind you, from what i have seen of rural living here, I'd rather live rual in the UK. Vanderhoof vs Alderley Edge....although the hoof would be cheaper.

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Old Jun 15th 2012, 8:58 pm
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The whole "being closer to to the outdoors" thing makes me smile now. It was one of my reasons for moving too.

Now I am here I realise how much easier it was to be close to the outdoors in England simply because nothing bit me like it does here.

Therefore it MUST be a culture thing. Canada throws its love of the outdoor life in your face - you only have to watch a Canadian Tire commercial to see that.

The English countryside is not marketed as a bug free wonderful escape from the daily drudges of life. If it were marketed better (like it is here) maybe we would all have a different view of it.

Its one of the things I miss. I love the outdoors here (bugs and all) but I love it there too. Its the people and their attitudes that I mainly moved from.

And now I feel frustration at some of the attitudes here - old boys club and all that.
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Originally Posted by Howefamily
The whole "being closer to to the outdoors" thing makes me smile now. It was one of my reasons for moving too.

Now I am here I realise how much easier it was to be close to the outdoors in England simply because nothing bit me like it does here.

Therefore it MUST be a culture thing. Canada throws its love of the outdoor life in your face - you only have to watch a Canadian Tire commercial to see that.

The English countryside is not marketed as a bug free wonderful escape from the daily drudges of life. If it were marketed better (like it is here) maybe we would all have a different view of it.

Its one of the things I miss. I love the outdoors here (bugs and all) but I love it there too. Its the people and their attitudes that I mainly moved from.

And now I feel frustration at some of the attitudes here - old boys club and all that.
That is why rose-tinted glasses should be taken off when people come here on Recces. It easy to get swept away with that whole vacation outlook on a new country
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Old Jun 16th 2012, 1:35 am
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Originally Posted by Howefamily
Canada throws its love of the outdoor life in your face - you only have to watch a Canadian Tire commercial to see that.
ADVERTS - pristine lakes, snow-capped mountains, log cabins, handsome rosy-cheeked families, laughter, Tim Hortons, Canadian Tire barbecues etc. etc. etc.

REALITY - living in a dull North America city, driving in an oversized vehicle from the Tim Horton's drive-thru to the Canadian Tire 30-acre parking lot.
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
ADVERTS - pristine lakes, snow-capped mountains, log cabins, handsome rosy-cheeked families, laughter, Tim Hortons, Canadian Tire barbecues etc. etc. etc.

REALITY - living in a dull North America city, driving in an oversized vehicle from the Tim Horton's drive-thru to the Canadian Tire 30-acre parking lot.
One could write exactly the same description of the UK by inserting the names of UK stores.
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Originally Posted by Auld Yin
One could write exactly the same description of the UK by inserting the names of UK stores.
I disagree. People in the UK don't seem to define their lifestyles by a couple of stores as much as Canadians seem to do.
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
ADVERTS - pristine lakes, snow-capped mountains, log cabins, handsome rosy-cheeked families, laughter, Tim Hortons, Canadian Tire barbecues etc. etc. etc.

REALITY - living in a dull North America city, driving in an oversized vehicle from the Tim Horton's drive-thru to the Canadian Tire 30-acre parking lot.
Adverts: english country side, thatched cottages, castles, the royal family, the pub...., fine cusine, Chaucer and Emily Bronte.

Reality: Run down industrial cities, council estates and small crappy houses, pubs closing left and right, hanging out whetherspoons, crap service, fish and chips and kebabs, violence, congestion, and driving to a massive asda with a 30 acre parking lot that fulfills all of one's consumer desires....

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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
That is why rose-tinted glasses should be taken off when people come here on Recces. It easy to get swept away with that whole vacation outlook on a new country
I was remarkably lucky on my recce trip to NB, I enjoyed a couple of days a magical autumn colours and then what the weather man enthusiastically called a 'good nor'easter' - the rose tints froze and dropped off....I have been profoundly rural for the last ten years and I don't want rural anymore, but I don't want vast metrololis (which can be fun) either. It's finding what's right for you that's important.

So many people want change, but they don't need another country to get it, half of them would probably be just as happy with a change of job or a loft conversion.
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