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caretaker Apr 25th 2015 11:39 pm

Re: Racist Employers
 
Nowhere did they say they'd been in touch with the government. The two references used were "Alberta employment office" and "Canadian employment department". Doesn't anyone think maybe they shelled out money to some job placement company? They did say they've gone to great expense.... No name calling..... no name calling... I keep telling myself...:thumbdown:

Aviator Apr 25th 2015 11:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 11628881)
I work for the government at state level in Australia and it would be sooooo wrong for one of us to put a personal opinion like that in an official letter written in our capacity as an employee of the government. Its one thing thats amazed me in this thread. Surely in Canada the laws aren't so different that a government employee can use their official role to air their personal opinion - and in writing into the bargain?! We'd be in deep doodoo, and quite probably out of a job.

Same in Canada, I have never in 20+years here had a govt employee give a personal opinion verbally, let alone in writing. There is considerable reservation (as in reserved, not racist to non-Europeans living on land claimed as ancestral homelands. in all govt correspondence, by the book communications. I would find it hard to fathom any business giving open opinions either, especially in this day and age of human rights tribunals and P.C.

Lychee Apr 26th 2015 1:23 am

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Originally Posted by worklifebalance (Post 11628741)
Get a life and don't be so bitter. As I found on my own Caniversary thread on employment members are very quick here to start judging the honesty of newbies rather than listen to what they have to say. There were a couple on that thread who implied that because events had not happened to them then I must be dishonest but I didn't bite the bullet. Just because you have not witnessed something first hand does not mean it does not happen. It may of not happened when you immigrated but things change.

It has always been my observation that colchar never immigrated anywhere, but was born in Canada. He (she?) appears to monitor British Expats to defensively refute anything negatively said about Canada, which explains the tone.

ExKiwilass Apr 26th 2015 1:41 am

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agreed lychee.

dishwashing Apr 26th 2015 3:55 am

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 11628873)
Sorry, but that just made my laugh....what on earth is 'an ethnic' :unsure:

Considering that your only other contribution on this thread as a super moderator was to fan the fires, I'm not really interested explaining a basic word to you. Try the dictionary maybe.

dishwashing Apr 26th 2015 4:01 am

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The words defensive and angry did come to mind re: some of the refutations.

I do agree that the letter sounds inauthentic, but the whole thread got messed up with the overly aggressive attacks, so it's all a puddle now. Had enoguh - bedtime.

dishwashing Apr 26th 2015 4:06 am

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11628921)
Nowhere did they say they'd been in touch with the government. The two references used were "Alberta employment office" and "Canadian employment department". Doesn't anyone think maybe they shelled out money to some job placement company? They did say they've gone to great expense.... No name calling..... no name calling... I keep telling myself...:thumbdown:

caretaker, you are right.

I take what I said above back - typical cynicism and distrust, like most of the people around me.

Sorry, OP.

https://redsealrecruiting.com/findin...cy-in-alberta/

Pollyana Apr 26th 2015 9:56 am

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Originally Posted by dishwashing (Post 11628998)
Considering that your only other contribution on this thread as a super moderator was to fan the fires, I'm not really interested explaining a basic word to you. Try the dictionary maybe.

I've not contributed to this thread as a mod at all, but as a poster. We are allowed to do that you know!!
And I do know what ethnic means ;) and we are all part at least one ethnic group, my query was with where yiou said are you an ethnic or do you use a foreign name? I've just never heard anyone called 'an ethnic' before. 'Part of a particular ethnic group' yes, but 'an ethnic' no.
Maybe its a Canadian phrase?:unsure:

dishwashing Apr 26th 2015 2:43 pm

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Use of the word as an adjective is definitely more common

JonboyE Apr 26th 2015 2:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 11629199)
... I've just never heard anyone called 'an ethnic' before. 'Part of a particular ethnic group' yes, but 'an ethnic' no.
Maybe its a Canadian phrase?:unsure:

Definitely a British word, though more commonly spelled effnick.

caretaker Apr 26th 2015 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 11629402)
Definitely a British word, though more commonly spelled effnick.

It's more common in Quebec as "etnic" both derogatory and racist in keeping with their cultural xenophobia. Iirc Bouchard brought it to prominence.

rivingtonpike Apr 26th 2015 4:37 pm

Re: Racist Employers
 
As with many things in Canada, I think we're about 15-20 years behind the UK - economically, culturally, socially. At the same time this means there is a level of naivety you don't really get in the UK any more. I just haven't heard of racism being such a big deal here. Almost everyone is from somewhere else by one two or three generations. With such a mix of backgrounds, cultures and ethnic foundations, there doesn't seem to be much room for the race card to hold much water. I would imagine here on the Island isn't entirely representative of all of Canada, but I can honestly say I haven't witnessed racism on anything like the scale it is/was practiced in Europe.

For the OP, get the PR visa in place, come for an exploratory recce and I'm pretty confident you'll find the job opportunities are more likely to present themselves. If it's really what you want, I hope you make it.

JonboyE Apr 26th 2015 5:40 pm

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Originally Posted by rivingtonpike (Post 11629482)
As with many things in Canada, I think we're about 15-20 years behind the UK ... At the same time this means there is a level of naivety you don't really get in the UK any more. ... but I can honestly say I haven't witnessed racism on anything like the scale it is/was practiced in Europe.

I don't see it as naivety - more enlightened. I also don't think we are behind Europe in this respect. Light years ahead IMO.

wheatsheaf Apr 27th 2015 3:55 am

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Originally Posted by rivingtonpike (Post 11629482)
As with many things in Canada, I think we're about 15-20 years behind the UK - economically, culturally, socially. At the same time this means there is a level of naivety you don't really get in the UK any more. I just haven't heard of racism being such a big deal here. Almost everyone is from somewhere else by one two or three generations. With such a mix of backgrounds, cultures and ethnic foundations, there doesn't seem to be much room for the race card to hold much water. I would imagine here on the Island isn't entirely representative of all of Canada, but I can honestly say I haven't witnessed racism on anything like the scale it is/was practiced in Europe.

For the OP, get the PR visa in place, come for an exploratory recce and I'm pretty confident you'll find the job opportunities are more likely to present themselves. If it's really what you want, I hope you make it.

Depends on how you define racism perhaps, but I agree that Canada is way way behind UK in understanding, acknowledging or dealing with it. The assertion that it exists and is growing shouldnt be dismissed lightly. The main obstacle to facing the reality of racism in Canada is that almost everyone considers it outrageously impolite to speak of it especially if you are an immigrant.

Siouxie Apr 27th 2015 4:59 am

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Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11628923)
Same in Canada, I have never in 20+years here had a govt employee give a personal opinion verbally, let alone in writing. There is considerable reservation (as in reserved, not racist to non-Europeans living on land claimed as ancestral homelands. in all govt correspondence, by the book communications. I would find it hard to fathom any business giving open opinions either, especially in this day and age of human rights tribunals and P.C.

Unfortunately some do say things they shouldn't.

I had a long discussion with an (Government) Employment Assistance Department associate. She told me, in no uncertain terms that I was very unlikely to ever get a job again for the following reasons:

1) Too old, employers want college leavers they can train
2) Hearing impaired - employers would be put off thinking they would have to supply me with specialist equipment (not true)
3) No recent educational certification and
4) Immigrant with only a small amount of Canadian employment experience.

Had I had it in writing I would have had no hesitation in reporting her to Human Rights as they were discriminatory statements.

:thumbdown:


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