Population not fleeing UK, shock.
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Not exactly, but I could equally say you have become out of touch with the way the job market has developed in this country.
Immigrants always have a more positive approach toward work / education / achievement and whilst Canada is not as open as it used to be it has a long way to go to descend to the depths of the UK. UK is wholly nepotistic when it comes to senior management appointments and afraid to try new things.
Immigrants always have a more positive approach toward work / education / achievement and whilst Canada is not as open as it used to be it has a long way to go to descend to the depths of the UK. UK is wholly nepotistic when it comes to senior management appointments and afraid to try new things.
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Senior management appointments are irrelevant to me and I don't follow them. However, at the other extreme, here's an example of how things work in Canada. I have a client, one of the "top 50 employers in Canada". They take on interns in the summer, students from various universities, forty or so each year. These students are, pretty much, assured of a job at the firm at the end of their course. Many do take those jobs as the employer has a good reputation and they're at the front of the queue.
Who are they? Well, of course, they're the children of current employees, the social hierarchy among them follows the status of their parent within the firm. It may be that there's a chance for an able student to find a position without the family connection but I've yet to meet one. (And I've been consulting at that firm on and off since 1986, thanks to a once close friendship with the person now in charge).
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Not exactly, but I could equally say you have become out of touch with the way the job market has developed in this country.
Immigrants always have a more positive approach toward work / education / achievement and whilst Canada is not as open as it used to be it has a long way to go to descend to the depths of the UK. UK is wholly nepotistic when it comes to senior management appointments and afraid to try new things.
Immigrants always have a more positive approach toward work / education / achievement and whilst Canada is not as open as it used to be it has a long way to go to descend to the depths of the UK. UK is wholly nepotistic when it comes to senior management appointments and afraid to try new things.
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Not exactly, but I could equally say you have become out of touch with the way the job market has developed in this country.
Immigrants always have a more positive approach toward work / education / achievement and whilst Canada is not as open as it used to be it has a long way to go to descend to the depths of the UK. UK is wholly nepotistic when it comes to senior management appointments and afraid to try new things.
Immigrants always have a more positive approach toward work / education / achievement and whilst Canada is not as open as it used to be it has a long way to go to descend to the depths of the UK. UK is wholly nepotistic when it comes to senior management appointments and afraid to try new things.
After working closely with people from all over the world, i find employees aren't vastly different with regards to their approach to work, especially in the western world. Other than those who have succumbed to a bit of North American propaganda whereby their moral needs bolstering after being given 10 days holiday a year
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Still, as long as people have realistic expectations of their move, i'm sure all's well that ends well. If not, i fear people could be in for a shock
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I too have experience of both including 15 years in London and can categorically say Canada is better. But then I'm a glass half full person.
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My experience, and speaking with family back in the UK, is that I'm treated better here. Although I do work for the Feds, so has no relevance to the private sector.
It's all swings and roundabouts really, some end up better placed others don't.
It's all swings and roundabouts really, some end up better placed others don't.
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Ah.
Senior management appointments are irrelevant to me and I don't follow them. However, at the other extreme, here's an example of how things work in Canada. I have a client, one of the "top 50 employers in Canada". They take on interns in the summer, students from various universities, forty or so each year. These students are, pretty much, assured of a job at the firm at the end of their course. Many do take those jobs as the employer has a good reputation and they're at the front of the queue.
Who are they? Well, of course, they're the children of current employees, the social hierarchy among them follows the status of their parent within the firm. It may be that there's a chance for an able student to find a position without the family connection but I've yet to meet one. (And I've been consulting at that firm on and off since 1986, thanks to a once close friendship with the person now in charge).
Senior management appointments are irrelevant to me and I don't follow them. However, at the other extreme, here's an example of how things work in Canada. I have a client, one of the "top 50 employers in Canada". They take on interns in the summer, students from various universities, forty or so each year. These students are, pretty much, assured of a job at the firm at the end of their course. Many do take those jobs as the employer has a good reputation and they're at the front of the queue.
Who are they? Well, of course, they're the children of current employees, the social hierarchy among them follows the status of their parent within the firm. It may be that there's a chance for an able student to find a position without the family connection but I've yet to meet one. (And I've been consulting at that firm on and off since 1986, thanks to a once close friendship with the person now in charge).
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Employment protection may be non existent in Canada but in the UK the laws in place don't necessarily prevent sharp practice. I know of one place in the UK which won't tolerate any union membership so they sack anyone who joins a union. Now and again they get taken to court and have to pay compensation but they regard it as a small price to pay.
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Employment protection may be non existent in Canada but in the UK the laws in place don't necessarily prevent sharp practice. I know of one place in the UK which won't tolerate any union membership so they sack anyone who joins a union. Now and again they get taken to court and have to pay compensation but they regard it as a small price to pay.
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Employment protection may be non existent in Canada but in the UK the laws in place don't necessarily prevent sharp practice. I know of one place in the UK which won't tolerate any union membership so they sack anyone who joins a union. Now and again they get taken to court and have to pay compensation but they regard it as a small price to pay.
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I still work for them, on contracts, on and off. It used to entail travel to thrilling corners of the UK, Milton Keynes and Glasgow stand out, but now they've offshored most of the work to India (and rural Ontario).
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In this particular business the wages for the "shop floor" staff are very low not much above minimum wage. They don't seem to have a problem with recruitment though. If the minimum wage was raised significantly or if there was a union to drive up wages then that part of the business would be shut down immediately no question.
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I went there as it was the only full time position at the time that had an immediate start. I remember revelling in the thought of earning a whole 5 GBP per hour (Incidentally, this while I was still a student, you know, paying all that student related stuff
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The point of all this was that the place was hellish to work in. Yet, people cannot always pick and choose and say "oh no, poor employment practices, I'll not work there". The same goes for immigrants, beggars cannot be choosers. Take it, keep your mouth shut and move on at the first opportunity.
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