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Souvenir May 10th 2007 10:49 pm

Oath to the Queen
 
In today's Daily Telegraph there is an article about a guy, a naturalised Canadian, who has gone to court to challenge the requirement to swear the oath to the Queen. This would seem to be a fairly major charter issue. Why can't I find anything about it in the Canadian press?

ann m May 10th 2007 10:57 pm

Re: Oath to the Queen
 
I'm sure there are lots of people out there who are happy to swear to the Queen ;)

Maybe needs to rumble on a few more stages in the system to make it newsworthy in Canada ?

dbd33 May 10th 2007 11:10 pm

Re: Oath to the Queen
 

Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 4765278)
In today's Daily Telegraph there is an article about a guy, a naturalised Canadian, who has gone to court to challenge the requirement to swear the oath to the Queen. This would seem to be a fairly major charter issue. Why can't I find anything about it in the Canadian press?

It's not in the Canadian press because it's not happening in the US.

steve666 May 10th 2007 11:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 4765278)
In today's Daily Telegraph there is an article about a guy, a naturalised Canadian, who has gone to court to challenge the requirement to swear the oath to the Queen. This would seem to be a fairly major charter issue. Why can't I find anything about it in the Canadian press?

I found this, same thing???

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...65508-sun.html

Tableland May 10th 2007 11:13 pm

Re: Oath to the Queen
 

Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 4765278)
In today's Daily Telegraph there is an article about a guy, a naturalised Canadian, who has gone to court to challenge the requirement to swear the oath to the Queen. This would seem to be a fairly major charter issue. Why can't I find anything about it in the Canadian press?

I couldn't find it on CBC either. His comparison of the Queen with Hitler was pretty disgusting, and I'm no Royalist.

dbd33 May 10th 2007 11:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Tableland (Post 4765373)
I couldn't find it on CBC either. His comparison of the Queen with Hitler was pretty disgusting, and I'm no Royalist.

Charles Roach is a lawyer; of course he's disgusting. More than that he's a kind of local Al Sharpton, always keen to get in the paper.

That said, I suppose in this instance he does have a point, Canada is about multi-culturalism; if people here want to be loyal to the Queen, or the Pope, or Osama bin Laden, or <struggles to think of a well known Canadian> or even Hitler, it's all equal, an oath to the Queen doesn't really make sense in the Canadian context.

Souvenir May 10th 2007 11:45 pm

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Originally Posted by steve666 (Post 4765370)

Thanks for finding that. I didn't realise they guy had previous. Maybe that's why most of the media is ignoring it.

Hipster Contrarian May 10th 2007 11:51 pm

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Gosh, I don't think I'd be happy doing that either. I'd feel like a fraud saying it.


be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Her heirs and successors,"

Souvenir May 10th 2007 11:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Hipster Contrarian (Post 4765542)
Gosh, I don't think I'd be happy doing that either. I'd feel like a fraud saying it.

It just felt odd to me. I thought I already had lifetime membership to Club Liz.

While we're at it, could someone fix the first few lines of the anthem (English version)?

"Our home and native land"?

If it was, I wouldn't be at this ceremony, would I?

"..in all our sons command"?

Sex discrimination.

JAJ May 11th 2007 12:01 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 4765449)
That said, I suppose in this instance he does have a point, Canada is about multi-culturalism; if people here want to be loyal to the Queen, or the Pope, or Osama bin Laden, or <struggles to think of a well known Canadian> or even Hitler, it's all equal, an oath to the Queen doesn't really make sense in the Canadian context.

The Queen is Queen of Canada and hence is a Canadian.

dbd33 May 11th 2007 12:06 am

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Originally Posted by JAJ (Post 4765599)
The Queen is Queen of Canada and hence is a Canadian.

then maybe the Queen is, in a way, a well known Canadian, but she's not well known for being a Canadian. Asked to name one, I think more people would name Celine Dion than the Queen.

Tableland May 11th 2007 12:18 am

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Originally Posted by JAJ (Post 4765599)
The Queen is Queen of Canada and hence is a Canadian.

But not an Australian, at least according to the 1995 Commonwealth Parliamentary Library cited on wikipedia. According to them:

"The Queen does not fall within the categories of citizenship by birth, adoption, descent, or grant listed in the Australian Citizenship Act 1948. All Australian citizens are subjects of the Queen in right of Australia. The Queen cannot be her own subject, as one only exists in relation to the other, and the two cannot as such be combined."

Not sure about this really, but it's interesting enough.

Hipster Contrarian May 11th 2007 12:42 am

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Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 4765573)
It just felt odd to me. I thought I already had lifetime membership to Club Liz.

Yay. We happy few. Etc. *cough*



"..in all our sons command"?

Sex discrimination.
Outrageous. Militaristic too. That's it, I'm moving to Aus... ah, bugger.

roxye3 May 11th 2007 1:02 am

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No oath, no Canada I say.

"I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen."

What is so hard about that? You want to live here then aknowledge your head of state and Canadian law. Simple.

Some people. So ungreatful.

roxye3 May 11th 2007 1:05 am

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Oh yeah................I almost forgot.............."GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!"

Have nice day Y'all.


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