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Old Dec 24th 2009, 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
Unfortunately some people appear to believe employers can just disregard things like contracts and working conditions. No names mentioned of course.
And some people feel the world owes them a living and employees can do what they like and employers have to lump it. Employees have a choice, as the poster earlier made, the conditions were not what they wanted or expected to have to do, so they left. If too many employees leave, conditions change or the company goes out of business.

If a contract exists then there is recourse for the employee, next to none for the employer, an employer has to give notice or pay a penalty for not doing so, an employee can just not show up anymore without notice and pay no penalty. If a business is in financial difficulty, the employer has to bear the brunt of it, yet when times are good they get chastised for not sharing the good fortune around. The employer takes all the risk!

I've had employees just tell me they won't be in the next day, regardless of what work or commitments we have and think nothing of it, want to come in late, but go home on time or early. Leave in the middle of our busiest time of year on one day or no notice.

We are now extremely choosy who we hire and if they don't come up to our standard we don't keep them. We have ended up with a highly motivated, well paid, ethnically diverse, conscientious group of employees who enjoy what they do. They work hard, look after us and we look after them.

Employers can and do choose who they hire and keep, as employees choose who they work for. There will always be unscrupulous employers, as there will be idle and unreliable employees, in any country. I've certainly found discrimination more prevalent in the UK than have ever found it to be in Canada.
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Old Dec 24th 2009, 8:12 pm
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Looks pretty grim when converted to pounds -Funny how Brits gravitate to the cost of booze! the present exchange rate makes things look worse as I daresay that it does in a number of other places, given the state of the pound, sure makes my wages look better though!
yes you are right, I paid just over 4 euros for a can (33cl) of beer in paris last week, and 1.40 euros for a litre of "sans plomb" (actually i bought many litres of gas!)
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I can honestly say I;ve seen far less racism in Canda than the UK. My office is truly mulitcultural. bbuk I think many Canadians would be shocked by what your husband was told. Not only is it illegal, it goes against who were are as a country. I echo dboy and say, let the media know.
I have to agree, born and raised in the UK, we have grown up with alot more racism..blatant in -your-face and other wise....hence when we researched moving to Canada to give our kids the opportunity to just be themselves and not a colour first....we had always heard how tolerant Canada was (a word I really don't like, as people we should just 'be' and not have to make a special effort to tolerate other races) and admittently we have had very positive experiences too. But my OH in particular has had it rough. We had originally come out here on a WP whilst our PR was being processed. The WP with the employer was all done by phone and email. So obviously, hubby having a very proper W. London accent, his perspective employer assumed he was white English...we didnt even think we should have to say otherwise, anyway needless to say on hubby's arrival to his new job, he introduced himself to his new boss.....it is an understatement to say the blood drained from his face....hubby was so shocked and disappointed by this response...the employer honored his 1yr contract...but it was a year from hell, hubby wanted to leave then. But I told him to hang in there it..it will get better. But then this happened and we are just like 'wow'.
I'm not sure if it's the industry he's in or what, he's in Architecture.????

And yes we should call the media..if only to expose other companies like these. I know our story is not isolated, talking to other Black famlies and professionals they all have a similar story to tell..I think if you spoke candidly to minorities you know, about this subject, you'll be shocked.
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It sounds like your OH's employer is a bigot. You shouldn't have to change your life 'cos of someone's bigotry. Good luck, and try to have a good Christmas.
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I have to agree, born and raised in the UK, we have grown up with alot more racism..blatant in -your-face and other wise....hence when we researched moving to Canada to give our kids the opportunity to just be themselves and not a colour first....we had always heard how tolerant Canada was (a word I really don't like, as people we should just 'be' and not have to make a special effort to tolerate other races) and admittently we have had very positive experiences too. But my OH in particular has had it rough. We had originally come out here on a WP whilst our PR was being processed. The WP with the employer was all done by phone and email. So obviously, hubby having a very proper W. London accent, his perspective employer assumed he was white English...we didnt even think we should have to say otherwise, anyway needless to say on hubby's arrival to his new job, he introduced himself to his new boss.....it is an understatement to say the blood drained from his face....hubby was so shocked and disappointed by this response...the employer honored his 1yr contract...but it was a year from hell, hubby wanted to leave then. But I told him to hang in there it..it will get better. But then this happened and we are just like 'wow'.
I'm not sure if it's the industry he's in or what, he's in Architecture.????

And yes we should call the media..if only to expose other companies like these. I know our story is not isolated, talking to other Black famlies and professionals they all have a similar story to tell..I think if you spoke candidly to minorities you know, about this subject, you'll be shocked.
i don't doubt there are issues of racism, subtle or otherwise, there is the world over, but I'm not convinced in the slightest that it's a major or contentious issue here, although I'm sure it seems that way to you.
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i don't doubt there are issues of racism, subtle or otherwise, there is the world over, but I'm not convinced in the slightest that it's a major or contentious issue here, although I'm sure it seems that way to you.

....Gosh, that could so easily have come over as really dismissive, patronizing and condescending - But no, I think you got the tone bang on there. Well done you!
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....Gosh, that could so easily have come over as really dismissive, patronizing and condescending - But no, I think you got the tone bang on there. Well done you!
yes you have a point, i was not meaning to come off that way, was trying to say, i don't see vancouver has being known for a racist place, but know that it happens, but understand 100 percent that the poster would feel that way, i would.

Sometimes on-line things come across not how you mean.

I leave being condescending to you.

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Me and my family have decided to move back, Canada is way too expensive and I can get twice the wage I get here back in the UK. I have had enough of paying 20 dollars for a bad bottle of wine and 10 dollars for very small piece of cheese. I also find that the Canadians are very two faced and really cant be trusted. After moving here I think that life is better in the UK.
I think the reality of the situation is that Canada is not as good as it was, at least since I came here in 1987, and from a material standpoint. There is probably now, no benefit in coming here from Europe. Those who came in the fifties and sixties did extremely well.

However, for those seeking adventure or life experience, there is nothing lost in spending at least part of your life in a different country and enjoying what that country has to offer.

Good thread that provokes different opinions.

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Old Dec 25th 2009, 3:38 am
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So obviously, hubby having a very proper W. London accent, his perspective employer assumed he was white English...we didnt even think we should have to say otherwise, anyway needless to say on hubby's arrival to his new job, he introduced himself to his new boss.....it is an understatement to say the blood drained from his face....hubby was so shocked and disappointed by this response...the employer honored his 1yr contract...but it was a year from hell, hubby wanted to leave then. But I told him to hang in there it..it will get better. But then this happened and we are just like 'wow'.
I'm not sure if it's the industry he's in or what, he's in Architecture.????

And yes we should call the media..if only to expose other companies like these. I know our story is not isolated, talking to other Black famlies and professionals they all have a similar story to tell..I think if you spoke candidly to minorities you know, about this subject, you'll be shocked.

OMG, I'm really disgusted by this, though not entirely surprised..... Despite Canada supposedly being "tolerant", I've heard more extreme racism here than I ever heard in the UK, though it's not out in the open. Almost feel ashamed to be white English and just accepted here without any of the BS....
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OMG, don't give us that sort of crap.Canada is a place where you can express your true self without the P.C. police pouncing on you,unless you happen to live in ONT/BC,then you're already doomed.Fortunately us prairie folk keep stringing the bastards up as soon as they cross the border.
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OMG, don't give us that sort of crap.Canada is a place where you can express your true self without the P.C. police pouncing on you,unless you happen to live in ONT/BC,then you're already doomed.Fortunately us prairie folk keep stringing the bastards up as soon as they cross the border.
You may have a good point here. I live in Ontario and the PC drives me crazy. People relate to people as they find them and government interference is not constructive.
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yes you have a point, i was not meaning to come off that way, was trying to say, i don't see vancouver has being known for a racist place, but know that it happens, but understand 100 percent that the poster would feel that way, i would.

Sometimes on-line things come across not how you mean.

I leave being condescending to you.
I totally understand where you are coming from DB and no, I also don't think Vancouver is a 'Racist' place...but it's here and probably more than people realise, and I guess why should you, if it doesnt directly effect you then I guess you wouldn't see it. The reality is, racism is everywhere, in every community. It's ugly and unneccesary and just leaves a bad taste in your mouth, especially when we came with such high expectations, maybe wrongfully.

I think one of the problems is that the subject is not discussed, so people are under the impression that it is not prevalent. All of these comments have been really interesting and informative..thank you guys for taking the time to write your views
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I totally understand where you are coming from DB and no, I also don't think Vancouver is a 'Racist' place...but it's here and probably more than people realise, and I guess why should you, if it doesnt directly effect you then I guess you wouldn't see it. The reality is, racism is everywhere, in every community. It's ugly and unneccesary and just leaves a bad taste in your mouth, especially when we came with such high expectations, maybe wrongfully.

I think one of the problems is that the subject is not discussed, so people are under the impression that it is not prevalent. All of these comments have been really interesting and informative..thank you guys for taking the time to write your views
yes I think racism at some level is a fact of life. I never hear anyone here though, making the snide comments that you do in the UK and that ever present layer of racism does not seem to exist here. I was much more aware of it in the UK and the US when I lived there than I am here. Other than the odd dig at Asian drivers, I don't ever hear any racist put downs here, can not say the same for blighty, sadly I'm thinking of my family when I write this.

Hope things turn out better. It really bothers me when I hear things like this.
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Originally Posted by brizzle View Post
I'll give you some examples at current exchange rates:

1 pint (actually less than that) of beer in downtown pub - $7 = 4.10 pounds
Cheapest, nastiest bottle of wine - $9 = 5.30 pounds
6 x 330 ml beers - $8-12 = 4.70-7 pounds
Average house price in Vancouver - $700k = 400k + pounds
Annual car insurance - $1,100 = 650 pounds

Petrol is half the price here, eating out (but gradually getting more expensive) & household insurance seems cheap, but most things seem at least par, if not more expensive than UK on possibly par or less wages.
well living in vancouvers definately going to be expensive chap, its the equivalent of London, UK. I daresay a pint in london averages around the 4 GBP mark, but there you have to deal with a whole other can of worms. Anyhow I hope things work out for the original thread author.
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well living in vancouvers definately going to be expensive chap, its the equivalent of London, UK. I daresay a pint in london averages around the 4 GBP mark, but there you have to deal with a whole other can of worms. Anyhow I hope things work out for the original thread author.
Difference is that London has loads of bargains to be had cos of the amount of people hence competition. I find it very frustrating here in Ireland cos its the opposite. It took us all heading up to spend our hard earned in Northern Ireland to make them drop the prices down here. 4 pound a pint? Not yet mate. 4.80E a pint here though!
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