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Old Jul 13th 2010 | 9:55 am
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Hang on guys , I dont ask for 8 pages, I dont even say what I want or need ! I was just saying that if a big CV came in I would read it
If it came on the back of a fag packet then I might think " hey this guy is cocky" and maybe ..just maybe see them
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by kamikaze
Condescending.................pot, kettle and all that, and for your information for the most part there called F**kers most of the time, and if there not happy then they can F**k off, infact now I think of it you have back tracked this thread just to find fault and start trying to get on my wick again, its not all about you so stop trying to cause trouble

Would that be a vindictive spiteful personal attack? Seems rather threatening to me.
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by kamikaze
If it came on the back of a fag packet then I might think " hey this guy is cocky" and maybe ..just maybe see them
Should these two words be in the same sentence?
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by The Aviator
Says it all!

Oh and it's 'they're not' not 'there not'. Careful a spelling mistake can get your resume thrown out

Try this it might help
http://www.better-english.com/easier/theyre.htm

I have the worst spelling & grammer in the world, but then I put it down to being booted out of school at 15 with nothing to show for it, started my first company at 18 and never worked for anybody but myself, so I am sorry that all you academics are offended, but on the upside it allways chears me up when I get university graduets looking to work for me
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by kamikaze
I have the worst spelling & grammer in the world, but then I put it down to being booted out of school at 15 with nothing to show for it, started my first company at 18 and never worked for anybody but myself, so I am sorry that all you academics are offended, but on the upside it allways chears me up when I get university graduets looking to work for me
That's some inferiority complex you have.
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
That's some inferiority complex you have.
It sits on my shoulder to keep me balanced because of the chip on the other one
I think its the combination of my chip and inferiority complex that makes me good at what I do, we all have our crosses
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by kamikaze
It sits on my shoulder to keep me balanced because of the chip on the other one
I think its the combination of my chip and inferiority complex that makes me good at what I do, we all have our crosses
aye.
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 10:50 am
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"Cross to bear" and all that
 
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Originally Posted by kamikaze
"Cross to bear" and all that
aye.
 
Old Jul 13th 2010 | 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I don't know any "IT" people that wouldn't be embarrassed by an 8 page cv. I've never seen one in my life and I have occasionally been involved in recruiting software developers.

I would think IT would need short cv's. A list of skills being the most important - waffly shit can be covered in the letter.

And how much is "a lot more money" anyway?
I have worked in the I.T industry for 23 years mostly in the technical area. My C.V is about 4-5 pages. Most technical roles would have tests at the interview stages, so a list of qualifications and skills is fine.

1-2 pages is all that is usually read.
 
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Originally Posted by kamikaze
I dont tend to employ resume writers, do you ?
You do it your way, I do it mine, but I am sure you are right and I am wrong, sorry
There is a best practice for recruitment that can be used. As such 1-2 pages of most C.V's will give you enough to know if the person meets the essential skills detailed within the job description and person specification. Then from those left you would look at the desirable skills and use this as a basis for a selection process for interviews.

I do not agree with photos on C.V.'s as it can create bias in the person interviewing (what psychologists call horns and halo effect). Its better to have a first impression created from "facts" or as near as you can get to them from their C.V.

Also remember that most organisations either look for a "person-job" fit in that the person needs to fit the role that is on offer or "person-organisation" fit which means that the "culture" of the organisation and the subsiqent match with the person coming for the job will be a factor. Sometimes more than the skill set match.
 
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
And vital statistics if the picture is only a head shot.
I think they should make that a legal requirement.
 
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Originally Posted by canadian_bacon_boy
I do not agree with photos on C.V.'s as it can create bias in the person interviewing (what psychologists call horns and halo effect). Its better to have a first impression created from "facts" or as near as you can get to them from their C.V.
A few years back i hired somebody purely because of their history as an ex model. Useless at the job and i regretted it once the allure of her smoking hotness died down. Still, it was great while it lasted

I think she hypnotised me, the dirty siren
 
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Originally Posted by carolyn_vdv
It is an interesting point you make below about the length of a cv, I spent the best part of a day fine tuning mine to fit on one page.

What line of work were you exploring? I imagine one of the keys to succeeding is flexibility and being able to adapt the cv to the particular job you are applying for.
Line of work is currently Design Consultancy, more specifically,Transportation Infrastructure.
As for the lengthy CV's, I agree, take it with a pinch of salt. Over the years I have reviewed many CV's and the most important thing for me is readability. If I feel I am having to make an effort to understand what the person is about, it goes in the bin. I generally don't like long CV's, but if is easy to read (well laid out), I can scan it pretty quick.
I always used to try and keep mine to 2 or 3 pages, but applying for jobs overseas is different in some situations, such as managerial or professional positions. Why? Because terminology, job descriptions, qualifications, etc. are different and unless you know how to translate those things well, you may not get across the true extent of your ability and experience. In my case, with a complicated background in a number of industries, it took a fair bit of paper to convey that.
It worked well for me, so I thought I would share this while recognising it goes against conventional wisdom and may not be appropriate in many cases. Make use of it, of bin it, whatever works for you.
Thanks for reading
 
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Originally Posted by Manfromvan
Line of work is currently Design Consultancy, more specifically,Transportation Infrastructure.
As for the lengthy CV's, I agree, take it with a pinch of salt. Over the years I have reviewed many CV's and the most important thing for me is readability. If I feel I am having to make an effort to understand what the person is about, it goes in the bin. I generally don't like long CV's, but if is easy to read (well laid out), I can scan it pretty quick.
I always used to try and keep mine to 2 or 3 pages, but applying for jobs overseas is different in some situations, such as managerial or professional positions. Why? Because terminology, job descriptions, qualifications, etc. are different and unless you know how to translate those things well, you may not get across the true extent of your ability and experience. In my case, with a complicated background in a number of industries, it took a fair bit of paper to convey that.
It worked well for me, so I thought I would share this while recognising it goes against conventional wisdom and may not be appropriate in many cases. Make use of it, of bin it, whatever works for you.
Thanks for reading
The other thing I forgot to mention is that as well as applying directly for jobs, I was also speculatively approaching employers on the chance that they would see something in me and hire me even though they didn't have a vacancy. Another reason that a broad and unfortunately lengthy CV, was appropriate for me. I did have some success in this and subsequently have found that professional services companies will hire good talent even if they are not actively looking - more so when the economy is strong, but it does still happen.
 

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