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Old Nov 11th 2008 | 8:00 am
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It really wasn’t a very well though out approach to a group based on a fundamentalist religious foundation, in fact in hindsight it looks rather stupid
Perhaps we could say similar to WWII - were the Nazi party not a fundamentalist religious ororganisation.
If Sadam Hussein was left in control would he have launched chemical weapons against his enemies? Or is it worth the risk to thousands of innocents.
Or perhaps we should ask the survivors of the Nazi concentrationamps should we have bombed the camps to have ended the suffering?
Perhaps with hindsight - we could have changed the world, but we dont have that luxury, we have to make a dediscissionnd act on the inintelligencee have gained.
 
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If Sadam Hussein was left in control would he have launched chemical weapons against his enemies?
He already did that. They excuse for starting the war was that he was going to use Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Godwin, btw.
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 8:10 am
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He made no difference to my daily life, we are adequately supplied with a variety of drugs. Anyway, I thought they were claimed to be saving us from terrorists, not from recreational drug use.

If he wanted to go charging around in the wilderness at the risk of making his child an orphan then that's his choice but he should not assume that anyone is interested in whether or not he does it. I think it's a bit irresponsible on his part.

The troops of today are not asking for a minute of silence for them. They are seeking to usurp someone else's minute of silence. They seek to cash in politically on the sacrifice of people who did not take up war as a career but as a necessity.
Do you actually have any idea how stupid you sound! Did you not read Dinger24's post or mine? Are you on some of them drugs mate!
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 8:21 am
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He made no difference to my daily life, we are adequately supplied with a variety of drugs. Anyway, I thought they were claimed to be saving us from terrorists, not from recreational drug use.

If he wanted to go charging around in the wilderness at the risk of making his child an orphan then that's his choice but he should not assume that anyone is interested in whether or not he does it. I think it's a bit irresponsible on his part.

The troops of today are not asking for a minute of silence for them. They are seeking to usurp someone else's minute of silence. They seek to cash in politically on the sacrifice of people who did not take up war as a career but as a necessity.
So where do you live? Must be nice not to be affected by the drugs that are effecting everyone elses lives.
You have a very poor opinion of the armed forces that are employed to defend the nation. You also have a very relaxed opinion of the drug abuse that is effecting your daily life, whether it be known to you or not. The drug dealer that gives small amounts of drugs to children to make a market for his product, the drug addicted criminal breaking into houses and stealing to feed his/her habit, the nurses and doctors employed to look after the innocent person mugged for petty cash by the desperate crack user. Yet you would rather pay them the taxes than the soldiers employed and deployed by the government you vote for?
You are a strange one? Both nieve and opinionated on subjects that you have no idea about. People like your self have the rights and freedom that others have given their life for! Charging around the wilderness? Cashing in politically? Are you for real? Do you have any inclination of your surroundings? How can one be so easily miss lead in the western world is unbelievable!
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 8:21 am
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I should show this opinion and your others to the 8 yr old daughter of my close friend who was killed recently in Afghanistan. Whilst out there he made a small difference to your daily life from a long distance. The local dealers where you live and many other towns in the western world are effected by the deterrence of the drug trade from the poppy fields in Afghan to your neighborhood hood - of course you will have an opinion on this, that you have read in a newspaper whilst drinking a hot coffee over your homely comforts. I suggest that my friends opinion was formed when sweating to bring to bear his weapon against the enemy in the arid heat, the constant tension of patrolling in a hostile enviroment only known to a soldier in combat would be somewhat different and still I know that he believed that he was doing this for people just like you, sadly I know he would do it all again for people like you. Yet you can slate this and many other soldiers from all conflicts when all they ask is 1 minutes silence for the freedom they have chosen to allow you to enjoy whether a volunteer or a conscripted man or woman. I hope that the Americans do withdraw from all conflicts and a diplomatic solution is found, if for nothing else just so children can have there parents with them as they grow up!
Sorry about your mate Dinger, I got back from Basra in April thankfully, but sadly many haven't. My wife works at Selly Oak, a ward that many of these people don't know about, we do. Sadly, I believe your words have fallen on deaf ears. I joined twenty years ago, not to invade another country or go to war but to travel and work hard play hard. WE are just the pawns to carry out the political dirty work even if it's delivering petrol or fire fighting when the civvies decide to cry about their pay. Keep your head down. We will remember...............
 
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Originally Posted by dbd33
He already did that. They excuse for starting the war was that he was going to use Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Godwin, btw.
I don't remeber any chemical weapons being launched at me. Maybe I was in bed for that attack
 
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Sorry about your mate Dinger, I got back from Basra in April thankfully, but sadly many haven't. My wife works at Selly Oak, a ward that many of these people don't know about, we do. Sadly, I believe your words have fallen on deaf ears. I joined twenty years ago, not to invade another country or go to war but to travel and work hard play hard. WE are just the pawns to carry out the political dirty work even if it's delivering petrol or fire fighting when the civvies decide to cry about their pay. Keep your head down. We will remember...............

We will remember them.....
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
He already did that. They excuse for starting the war was that he was going to use Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Godwin, btw.
Emm! You believe the hype of the media and the miss interpitation of what was actually said. I do not believe and have never heard any political source from the UN before the war, that has ever claimed he had WMD it was on the principle that he was not allowing the UN employees to prove otherwise. He in fact ensured that the UN was lead to believe that he did have them!
Read the story not the headline!
I am fully aware that Sadam Hussien used chemical weapons against his own people, he also encouraged the brutality of his regime to keep control. If this man had been left in power he would have held the UN to ransom with the threat of using chemical weapons against innocents. It is also one of the main routes used by drug importers to the western world.
I draw your attention to the beginning of world war 2 Hitler was given time to prepare for war, if Chamberlin had acted the year before when Hitler was known to be planning to attack Austria then perhaps he wouldnt have went on to kill thousands of innocent Jews, gays, gypsyies etc not to mention our fore fathers that you have slated during this thread!
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by sarahandshaun
Sorry about your mate Dinger, I got back from Basra in April thankfully, but sadly many haven't. My wife works at Selly Oak, a ward that many of these people don't know about, we do.
Your wife is doing a fantastic job and she and he peers are a fantastic asset to the injured. I have had a few friends who have been to Selly Oak, in fact a couple are still having to have operations and rehab etc. It is another job that I know is greatly appreciated by the lads so please pass on our thanks to your wife.
Basra in April? then it would have been the rest of my unit that took over on that tour. I went to Afghan in the Feb.
 
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Between my early post on this thread and now, I have been to the ceremony at the cenotaph in my town. Stood in the pouring rain with hundreds of others, including many young people. We remembered and prayed for those who fought in all wars.

I came back and read several pages of postings, and feel ashamed for fellow Brits. The original post was made in good faith. It doesn't surprise me who amongst the regular posters denigrated this thread into a fight over Remembrance Day.
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 9:28 am
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Please accept my apologizes I did not intend for this thread to take this route and if I have offended anyone then I do apologize.
However I am only airing my beliefs and exercising my freedom.
I too have been stood in the rain today by the graves of young men who died in Germany during the second world war.
 
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Between my early post on this thread and now, I have been to the ceremony at the cenotaph in my town. Stood in the pouring rain with hundreds of others, including many young people. We remembered and prayed for those who fought in all wars.

I came back and read several pages of postings, and feel ashamed for fellow Brits. The original post was made in good faith. It doesn't surprise me who amongst the regular posters denigrated this thread into a fight over Remembrance Day.

My humble apologies. You are quite correct.
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 10:11 am
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It doesn't surprise me who amongst the regular posters denigrated this thread into a fight over Remembrance Day.
No...I don't think anyone was...and that in itself is very sad...almost as sad as the individuals concerned...
 
Old Nov 11th 2008 | 10:15 am
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So where do you live? Must be nice not to be affected by the drugs that are effecting everyone elses lives.
You have a very poor opinion of the armed forces that are employed to defend the nation. You also have a very relaxed opinion of the drug abuse that is effecting your daily life, whether it be known to you or not. The drug dealer that gives small amounts of drugs to children to make a market for his product, the drug addicted criminal breaking into houses and stealing to feed his/her habit, the nurses and doctors employed to look after the innocent person mugged for petty cash by the desperate crack user. Yet you would rather pay them the taxes than the soldiers employed and deployed by the government you vote for?
You are a strange one? Both nieve and opinionated on subjects that you have no idea about. People like your self have the rights and freedom that others have given their life for! Charging around the wilderness? Cashing in politically? Are you for real? Do you have any inclination of your surroundings? How can one be so easily miss lead in the western world is unbelievable!
Of course I'm aware of the effect of drugs on western cities, I just don't think the armed forces can make any difference on that score. As long as the demand exists so will the supply.
 
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Originally Posted by sarahandshaun
I don't remeber any chemical weapons being launched at me. Maybe I was in bed for that attack
He gassed the Kurds. Perhaps you're not a Kurd.
 


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