Landing Trip Advice
#1
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Landing Trip Advice
Hi All,
So with my PR in hand I am flying out in 2 months time to ‘activate’ it being in Canada for a total of 3 nights. I will be meeting some prospective employers and getting registered for a SIN but just wondering if anyone had any advice on other things which it may be worth doing / things you wish you had done before actually making the move?
Thank You
Dave
So with my PR in hand I am flying out in 2 months time to ‘activate’ it being in Canada for a total of 3 nights. I will be meeting some prospective employers and getting registered for a SIN but just wondering if anyone had any advice on other things which it may be worth doing / things you wish you had done before actually making the move?
Thank You
Dave
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
In 3 nights there is not a lot you can do. You get about 2 days here, with travel time allowance. I would not worry too much about the SIN either, easy to do when you move permanently. I had a bank account before moving, rest of time spend researching the areas I preferred to live in.
#3
Re: Landing Trip Advice
Hi All,
So with my PR in hand I am flying out in 2 months time to ‘activate’ it being in Canada for a total of 3 nights. I will be meeting some prospective employers and getting registered for a SIN but just wondering if anyone had any advice on other things which it may be worth doing / things you wish you had done before actually making the move?
Thank You
Dave
So with my PR in hand I am flying out in 2 months time to ‘activate’ it being in Canada for a total of 3 nights. I will be meeting some prospective employers and getting registered for a SIN but just wondering if anyone had any advice on other things which it may be worth doing / things you wish you had done before actually making the move?
Thank You
Dave
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
On one day of my landing trip, I was able to get my SIN first thing in the morning, and have my bank accounts opened and credit card applied for by lunchtime. The bank accounts and credit card have been very handy for transfers of money over to Canada and to start building a Canadian credit history ahead of the permanent move. I've set up a few monthly automatic charges/payments to 30% of my credit card limit and set up automatic payment of my credit card from my cheque account. I'm building a Canadian credit history without having to "do" very much at all.
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
On one day of my landing trip, I was able to get my SIN first thing in the morning, and have my bank accounts opened and credit card applied for by lunchtime. The bank accounts and credit card have been very handy for transfers of money over to Canada and to start building a Canadian credit history ahead of the permanent move. I've set up a few monthly automatic charges/payments to 30% of my credit card limit and set up automatic payment of my credit card from my cheque account. I'm building a Canadian credit history without having to "do" very much at all.
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
The fact that I'd only been at a Canadian address for a few days after landing didn't seem to interfere with me getting an unsecured credit card (albeit with a low limit).
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
Thanks for that guys. Yes only there for 2 full days (and then most of Saturday before I fly back) but want to get some stuff done. Figure the SIN is pretty easy and may help having one when going through job application process but will leave bank account as I will probably just get one with the bank I end up working for.
With the goods to follow list do I have to do it when I ‘land’ or can I do it when we actually move and have the stuff on the water?
With the goods to follow list do I have to do it when I ‘land’ or can I do it when we actually move and have the stuff on the water?
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
Thanks for that guys. Yes only there for 2 full days (and then most of Saturday before I fly back) but want to get some stuff done. Figure the SIN is pretty easy and may help having one when going through job application process but will leave bank account as I will probably just get one with the bank I end up working for.
With the goods to follow list do I have to do it when I ‘land’ or can I do it when we actually move and have the stuff on the water?
With the goods to follow list do I have to do it when I ‘land’ or can I do it when we actually move and have the stuff on the water?
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
Checking out local schools in the area is essential if indeed you have kids lol. Checking out real estate and what you can afford both renting and buying. These are a few of the things we did when we landed in Vancouver.
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
You can only 'land' once, from which point you become a 'Permanent Resident'. This is the only time you can declare goods to follow duty exempt. If this trip is to activate your PR you must have all your Goods Accompanying and Goods to Follow form completed to be stamped at the airport upon arrival.
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
You can only 'land' once, from which point you become a 'Permanent Resident'. This is the only time you can declare goods to follow duty exempt. If this trip is to activate your PR you must have all your Goods Accompanying and Goods to Follow form completed to be stamped at the airport upon arrival.
Wiki is your friend as it explains the difference between the landings and contains links to official sources:
http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Landing_as_PR-Canada
Having said all that, when we landed to declare PR (i.e. soft landing), we obviously encountered an ill-trained CBSA officer at Ottawa airport who insisted that we MUST declare our goods to follow and that this was our one and only chance! Fortunately, we had this ready and rather than argue at the end of a jet-lagged flight, handed the list over. Unlikely that you will encounter such poor training at major hubs like Toronto and Vancouver! But hey!
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
Not correct. There are different 'landings' for different organisations. For CIC you can 'land to declare PR'. This can be a different event to a later 'land as settler' for CBSA and declaration of goods accompanying and goods to follow. I won't even get into 'land as a CRA taxpayer!!'.
Wiki is your friend as it explains the difference between the landings and contains links to official sources:
http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Landing_as_PR-Canada
Having said all that, when we landed to declare PR (i.e. soft landing), we obviously encountered an ill-trained CBSA officer at Ottawa airport who insisted that we MUST declare our goods to follow and that this was our one and only chance! Fortunately, we had this ready and rather than argue at the end of a jet-lagged flight, handed the list over. Unlikely that you will encounter such poor training at major hubs like Toronto and Vancouver! But hey!
Wiki is your friend as it explains the difference between the landings and contains links to official sources:
http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Landing_as_PR-Canada
Having said all that, when we landed to declare PR (i.e. soft landing), we obviously encountered an ill-trained CBSA officer at Ottawa airport who insisted that we MUST declare our goods to follow and that this was our one and only chance! Fortunately, we had this ready and rather than argue at the end of a jet-lagged flight, handed the list over. Unlikely that you will encounter such poor training at major hubs like Toronto and Vancouver! But hey!
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
But sometimes its impossible to have a list of goods to follow and this is why.
A person who does the landing and does not establish a residence cannot be classed as a settler. We all know that the goods to follow must be for personal use and that were owned, possessed, and used abroad by the settler prior to his or her arrival in Canada.
So if I did a landing say in August 2018 but then returned to say the UK for 2 years to sell house etc and intended to return to Canada in August 2020 I can still acquire goods for 2 years before arriving in Canada so how do they go on a list I am supposed to present in August 2018?
Bad training, lack of knowledge or whatever I would simply ask to speak to a Supervisor and show them this
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicat...2-2-1-eng.html
1. For the purpose of tariff item No. 9807.00.00 of the Schedule to the Customs Tariff, settlers mean all individuals who enter Canada with the intention of establishing for the first time a residence for a period of not less than 12 months.
8. Persons admitted into Canada under IRPA who do not meet the requirements of tariff item No. 9807.00.00 and the applicable regulations are deemed as non-residents under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.
9. A person's status for customs purposes is not always the same as their status for immigration purposes.
10. As an example, a person can become a permanent resident without the intention of residing immediately in Canada. However, this person is not determined to be a settler as defined in the customs legislation, and be eligible for the provisions of tariff item No. 9807.00.00. In this case, since the person does not have any intention of remaining in Canada at that time, and will live outside Canada for an undetermined period of time, that person is considered a non-resident of Canada and not a settler, for the purpose of the Customs Tariff, and is eligible to temporarily import goods under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.
A person who does the landing and does not establish a residence cannot be classed as a settler. We all know that the goods to follow must be for personal use and that were owned, possessed, and used abroad by the settler prior to his or her arrival in Canada.
So if I did a landing say in August 2018 but then returned to say the UK for 2 years to sell house etc and intended to return to Canada in August 2020 I can still acquire goods for 2 years before arriving in Canada so how do they go on a list I am supposed to present in August 2018?
Bad training, lack of knowledge or whatever I would simply ask to speak to a Supervisor and show them this
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicat...2-2-1-eng.html
1. For the purpose of tariff item No. 9807.00.00 of the Schedule to the Customs Tariff, settlers mean all individuals who enter Canada with the intention of establishing for the first time a residence for a period of not less than 12 months.
8. Persons admitted into Canada under IRPA who do not meet the requirements of tariff item No. 9807.00.00 and the applicable regulations are deemed as non-residents under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.
9. A person's status for customs purposes is not always the same as their status for immigration purposes.
10. As an example, a person can become a permanent resident without the intention of residing immediately in Canada. However, this person is not determined to be a settler as defined in the customs legislation, and be eligible for the provisions of tariff item No. 9807.00.00. In this case, since the person does not have any intention of remaining in Canada at that time, and will live outside Canada for an undetermined period of time, that person is considered a non-resident of Canada and not a settler, for the purpose of the Customs Tariff, and is eligible to temporarily import goods under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.
#15
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Re: Landing Trip Advice
Very good advice from FL, as usual.
We activated PR in Vancouver on a 10-day soft-landing visit and didn't present a Goods to Follow (or goods accompanying) list, we just said we weren't settling yet. We moved for good to Calgary 8 months later and presented the lists on arrival at that time. We had the info provided by FL ready just in case in Vancouver but our explanation was readily accepted without question.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that you should have one ready to avoid problems - how can you know what you'll buy before you make the permanent move over, or that you'll bring everything you put on that list at the time of your landing visit? Better to insist on seeing the supervisor than providing an accurate list that will not match what you eventually bring over.
We activated PR in Vancouver on a 10-day soft-landing visit and didn't present a Goods to Follow (or goods accompanying) list, we just said we weren't settling yet. We moved for good to Calgary 8 months later and presented the lists on arrival at that time. We had the info provided by FL ready just in case in Vancouver but our explanation was readily accepted without question.
I wouldn't necessarily agree that you should have one ready to avoid problems - how can you know what you'll buy before you make the permanent move over, or that you'll bring everything you put on that list at the time of your landing visit? Better to insist on seeing the supervisor than providing an accurate list that will not match what you eventually bring over.