Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Sep 18th 2010, 8:16 am
#61
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Sorry just read a bit more on it. . . .it was a pay party - no my nearly 16 year old would not have been going . .
Sep 18th 2010, 9:48 am
#62
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
just realized i got you and the OP mixred up. You are not even here. How can something that happened in a province on teh other side of the nation impact your perception of how your kids will fair here any more than it happened in on the east coast of the US, for instance which is closer?
Sep 18th 2010, 10:45 am
#63
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Sep 18th 2010, 10:56 am
#64
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
New poster: We live in a grotty council estate in a grim northern town surrounded by crime and I don't see future for my kids here. I want to move to Canada to give them a better life.
Existing poster (who has happened to mention a couple of times that he drives a Mercedes and earns over £100,000): You don't need to move to Canada to do that. The Cotswolds are nice.
New poster: But kids in Canada seem to be much politer than the chavs around here. They seem to stay kids for longer.
Existing poster (yes, it's the childless el-richo again): Kids are kids. Here is an example of kids being involved with crime in Canada:
link
and another
link
and another
as so on ad nauseam.
The above, while not exactly edifying, is still IMO within bounds. However, when the new poster's aspirations haven't been completely crushed by the self-appointed pissers on peoples' parades the responses turn to:
You don't really care about your kids. You are just using them as an excuse to move to a place where you can buy a big house and lots of toys (subtext: you are selfish and bad parents)
Then a line has been crossed. I find it particular unpleasant when this type of insult is thrown by someone you doesn't have children. I have to ask who the hell do they think they are to pass judgment?
Existing poster (who has happened to mention a couple of times that he drives a Mercedes and earns over £100,000): You don't need to move to Canada to do that. The Cotswolds are nice.
New poster: But kids in Canada seem to be much politer than the chavs around here. They seem to stay kids for longer.
Existing poster (yes, it's the childless el-richo again): Kids are kids. Here is an example of kids being involved with crime in Canada:
link
and another
link
and another
as so on ad nauseam.
The above, while not exactly edifying, is still IMO within bounds. However, when the new poster's aspirations haven't been completely crushed by the self-appointed pissers on peoples' parades the responses turn to:
You don't really care about your kids. You are just using them as an excuse to move to a place where you can buy a big house and lots of toys (subtext: you are selfish and bad parents)
Then a line has been crossed. I find it particular unpleasant when this type of insult is thrown by someone you doesn't have children. I have to ask who the hell do they think they are to pass judgment?
If you could supply a link/s to where i've stated "You don't really care about your kids. You are just using them as an excuse to move to a place where you can buy a big house and lots of toys", that would be great
Sep 18th 2010, 11:07 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JonboyE again
, but that post was so accurate in terms of the way things often go here.
Sep 18th 2010, 12:11 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
So much for this whole notion of moving for a better life for "the kids". - your words not mine
Unless of course you don't have kids and you are just making general comments which are as equally daft, since one isolated incident should not be taken out of context which appears to be the case. Or if you are making such comments to highlight the generalizations that are made by many wishing to move here, then....well we've already done that one to death, haven't we.
i thought my comment was pretty clear - hopefully one is not still lost
And since i was so accommodating...what point exactly am I labouring?
Last edited by dboy; Sep 18th 2010 at 12:17 pm.
Sep 18th 2010, 2:48 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
you can comment on whatever you want. But to suggest that an incident that has happened thousands of miles from you as impacted the reasons you moved to Canada (for the kids) is really daft.
So much for this whole notion of moving for a better life for "the kids". - your words not mine
Unless of course you don't have kids and you are just making general comments which are as equally daft, since one isolated incident should not be taken out of context which appears to be the case. Or if you are making such comments to highlight the generalizations that are made by many wishing to move here, then....well we've already done that one to death, haven't we.
i thought my comment was pretty clear - hopefully one is not still lost
And since i was so accommodating...what point exactly am I labouring?
So much for this whole notion of moving for a better life for "the kids". - your words not mine
Unless of course you don't have kids and you are just making general comments which are as equally daft, since one isolated incident should not be taken out of context which appears to be the case. Or if you are making such comments to highlight the generalizations that are made by many wishing to move here, then....well we've already done that one to death, haven't we.
i thought my comment was pretty clear - hopefully one is not still lost
And since i was so accommodating...what point exactly am I labouring?
I shit you not, I have no idea what point you are now labouring. You seem to be off on a tangent that is clear to you and you only. Really, you are on your own on this one, I am completely lost as to what you are on about. Perhaps that is because you seem to be making immense assumptions and allocating attitudes to me that do not exist. Don't feel the need to the need to try and explain any further though, you are trolling this to death as it is.
Sep 18th 2010, 3:00 pm
#68
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Loathsome as I find Canadian kids to be, I wasn't suggesting that there's a cradle culture of gang rape. Rather I wondered if all the people at this party were from a cultural group for whom gang rape is usual; that seems to be typically the case in France and the UK and accounts for the inability of the police there to do anything about the fashion.
Sep 18th 2010, 3:30 pm
#69
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
I would be interetesd to hear from parents whose MAIN motive, was to build a better life for their children - ie away from chavs, gang culture etc.
Where did you live before - middle class suburb, working class council estate etc, and where are you now (aside from a different country!) and how it is so different to the life you were getting away from, and did it work.
or
Is a better life for the children more of an afterthought as opposed to a main reason?
Where did you live before - middle class suburb, working class council estate etc, and where are you now (aside from a different country!) and how it is so different to the life you were getting away from, and did it work.
or
Is a better life for the children more of an afterthought as opposed to a main reason?
Sep 18th 2010, 5:54 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
I would be interetesd to hear from parents whose MAIN motive, was to build a better life for their children - ie away from chavs, gang culture etc.
Where did you live before - middle class suburb, working class council estate etc, and where are you now (aside from a different country!) and how it is so different to the life you were getting away from, and did it work.
or
Is a better life for the children more of an afterthought as opposed to a main reason?
Where did you live before - middle class suburb, working class council estate etc, and where are you now (aside from a different country!) and how it is so different to the life you were getting away from, and did it work.
or
Is a better life for the children more of an afterthought as opposed to a main reason?
Maybe coming from London I do find Vancouver safer generally. My then just 15 year old often trollied downtown for the free gigs during the olympics, with her mates - if it had been London - no way would she have been going on her own!
Sep 18th 2010, 6:32 pm
#71
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Well I suppose we are typical middle class suburbanites and yes one of the main reason of moving was to get away from London and give the kids more freedom to be kids for longer - but not with such a blinkered view that x y or z country or city will be utopia with no problems, gangs, murders etc. . .
Maybe coming from London I do find Vancouver safer generally. My then just 15 year old often trollied downtown for the free gigs during the olympics, with her mates - if it had been London - no way would she have been going on her own!
Maybe coming from London I do find Vancouver safer generally. My then just 15 year old often trollied downtown for the free gigs during the olympics, with her mates - if it had been London - no way would she have been going on her own!
Your kids seem grounded and sensible Caz.
Sep 18th 2010, 6:48 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
god that kid must hate me - he is 13 and doing the harumphing Kevin act!!
Asked him if he would like some lasagna- he just shrugged his shoulders . . . .Oh had to tell me to go get the drinks as I had "the Look" - even dear daughter sniggered!!
Sep 18th 2010, 9:28 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Yup -Mine know I will beat 7 bales of crap out of them if they step out of line. I expect manners etc - had a kid here today - hardly spoke, tried to leave table before we had all finished - Oh no no no - he was saying please and thank you by the end of the day and waited at the table til we had all finished dinner!
god that kid must hate me - he is 13 and doing the harumphing Kevin act!!
Asked him if he would like some lasagna- he just shrugged his shoulders . . . .Oh had to tell me to go get the drinks as I had "the Look" - even dear daughter sniggered!!
god that kid must hate me - he is 13 and doing the harumphing Kevin act!!
Asked him if he would like some lasagna- he just shrugged his shoulders . . . .Oh had to tell me to go get the drinks as I had "the Look" - even dear daughter sniggered!!
"Please may i leave the table, and thank you"
We had many a shoe thrown at us when we did step out of line, we grew up in a grotty northern area, and we've done ok for ourselves. This included moving away for better opportunities, but it didn't include flying thousands of miles to obtain it.
Last edited by el_richo; Sep 18th 2010 at 9:33 pm.
Sep 18th 2010, 10:27 pm
#74
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
You sound like my mum.
"Please may i leave the table, and thank you"
We had many a shoe thrown at us when we did step out of line, we grew up in a grotty northern area, and we've done ok for ourselves. This included moving away for better opportunities, but it didn't include flying thousands of miles to obtain it.
"Please may i leave the table, and thank you"
We had many a shoe thrown at us when we did step out of line, we grew up in a grotty northern area, and we've done ok for ourselves. This included moving away for better opportunities, but it didn't include flying thousands of miles to obtain it.
