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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by lee58uk
(Post 4684773)
you dont have to be called a racist because you say you dont like the speed this country is filling up no in flux!! 500 000 in one year who you kidding
Lets see, UK population ~ double that of Canada. Immigration total ~ double that of canada. So why do you want to come to Canada? |
Re: A few thoughts
[QUOTE=bear-diesel;4683428]
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4682472)
AH, but Canada isn't England!!!!
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by lee58uk
(Post 4684773)
i think bear diesel has a point, ! you dont have to be called a racist because you say you dont like the speed this country is filling up no in flux!!
but you, and bear diesel, make racist posts. Inevitably people are going to call you a racist. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4684283)
Todays emmigrants are often tomorrows leaders and employers.
Quite agree with your comment above but was trying to be polite and kind of defend Bear's comments about the Europeans who are living and working in the UK - but unfortunately I feel that you are now saying that I have some bad vibes about them. In my earlier post I simply stated a fact that alot of our hospitality workers are now from Europe - I did not say that they shouldn't be here or anything. Someone has to run our hotels in this country and if the UK peeps aren't going to do it then someone else is. Gaynor |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by skiboy10
(Post 4684613)
Emmigration is a good thing when it is controlled - the problem with Britain is that it has NOT been controlled! The Government don't even know how many immigrants there are - they just do a random survey at a few airports but not at the ports and coach stations. The infrastructure of Britain cannot cope with the influx - this is NOT being racist (whatever that means) but just being practical!
But heard rumours that the government were in the process of doing this in particular with the amount of foreign doctors who come over here to complete their training. Apparantly they now require WP's to do so and if they dont have one - regardless of whether they have been originally allowed to come to complete their education - they will be sent back to their home country. This is not the way the deal with this problem. |
Re: A few thoughts
What makes me laugh is the fact that all of these so called non racists who object so much to emmigrants to the UK think that their situation will be so dissimilar when they get to Canada.
They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application! Numerous posts have detailed the closed shop mentality of canadians employers who require "canadian experience", the difficulty of getting a gp, or current overcrowding and underfunding of schools in canada. Ignorance=Racism;) |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4685471)
They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application!
Ignorance=Racism;) |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4685471)
What makes me laugh is the fact that all of these so called non racists who object so much to emmigrants to the UK think that their situation will be so dissimilar when they get to Canada.
They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application! Numerous posts have detailed the closed shop mentality of canadians employers who require "canadian experience", the difficulty of getting a gp, or current overcrowding and underfunding of schools in canada. Ignorance=Racism;) :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by Philwill
(Post 4684284)
Politically speaking Britain is a lot more Socialist than what it used to be and I don't mind saying that (to me) is a very bad thing. Broken promises in Elections are nothing new but the scale of the lies and corruption in Government here these days is criminal we have to live with the aftermath, |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by burton bunch
(Post 4685462)
Exactly.
But heard rumours that the government were in the process of doing this in particular with the amount of foreign doctors who come over here to complete their training. Apparantly they now require WP's to do so and if they dont have one - regardless of whether they have been originally allowed to come to complete their education - they will be sent back to their home country. This is not the way the deal with this problem. |
Re: A few thoughts
Better to have too many doctors than too few....which is the canadian model of course.
Now, if only there was a way to fastrack british doctors into Canada then my best friend would consider coming over here instead of probably ending up in Australia. |
Re: A few thoughts
I think its great canada has red take and limit numbers in , thats one reason why i like how responsible they are to there people
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 4685545)
Better to have too many doctors than too few....which is the canadian model of course.
Now, if only there was a way to fastrack british doctors into Canada then my best friend would consider coming over here instead of probably ending up in Australia. I have no problem with who lives where. What I was saying and by jumping on the "lets get the racists" band wagon, you missed, was....that instead of providing education and intergration the council have singled out one immigrant popualtion. By putting the signs in Polish this will not encourage the learning of English and will also cause segregation between many races by way of "favouritism" ie why weren't the signs written in Bangladeshi,Hindu,Mandarin,Franch, Greek Etc.????? I am by no way racist and you have missed the mark. I work with multinational people all day long and have never been labelled a racist before. Do we not supposedly live in a country of free speech? So by stating what I have observed you get labelled. Please don't run for government!! As for the workers in Asda not being able to communicate in English is this not a dangerous downward spiral.......With English being the national language, I bet you will be the first to complain when that nice foreign doctor ( I use the term loosely with no particular nation named) has cut your wrong leg off cos you didn't quite understand him/her. But he was nice and hard working!!!! it will not be long before every British national will have to take an English exam to emmigrate as I fear it will no longer be the good old national language. just my observances and thoughts .....shoot at will jo |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4685471)
What makes me laugh is the fact that all of these so called non racists who object so much to emmigrants to the UK think that their situation will be so dissimilar when they get to Canada.
They want stricter controls for entry to the UK but they whinge about the red tape at CIC because it affects their application! Numerous posts have detailed the closed shop mentality of canadians employers who require "canadian experience", the difficulty of getting a gp, or current overcrowding and underfunding of schools in canada. Ignorance=Racism;) |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by bear-diesel
(Post 4685635)
it will not be long before every British national will have to take an English exam to emmigrate
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Re: A few thoughts
Isnt the whole tarring of one particular subset of people with blatant generalisations about their behaviour (They will work for a pittance, and they make no attempt to learn the language) inherently racist? One size does not fit all.
And if you think Canada is any different in terms of integration of different peoples and the "dilution" of the native tongues, then you have not done enough research. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 4667108)
Well. My mum died so we all went over for the funeral. Looking at the UK with my now canadian eyes here are a few impressions I got. (Bearing in mind Im pretty happy in Canada with my lot)
Wow, its was soooo green. Spring had sprung, the weather was FANTASTIC too. So much for kids to do, Warwick Castle was like a dream for my 4 year old. FANTASTIC. So many other options too. It was BRILLIANT to catch up with family, although obviously the circumstances could have been happier. Daily grocery prices seemed a fair bit cheaper than Canada. Driving was not too bad, the M1 was OK, getting around was OK, but not as easy as Canada. Borrowing a TomTom was a help though. Couldnt live with an M3 / M25 commute everyday though. Got used to narrow twisty roads, roundabouts and manual gearboxes again pretty fast. Lot of diesel powered german executive cars around, in fact a lot of new cars everywhere. Very few old beaters on the road that I saw. General impression was of a lot of disposable income...dont know if its rooted in debt though. Customer service is ABYSMAL. Girl actually answered personal mobile call while selling me rail tickets. Not impressed! House prices are RIDICULOUS in nearly all places. Travel costs are insane, $150 for 2 to travel by train from Gatwick to Bedford return...WTF! Obsession with schools / living in the right area for a decent school is alive and well, but pretty well justified too. Cameras EVERYWHERE. Looks like a police state to an outsider. Private security firms in city centers were a surprise too. Real Beer GOOD! (Fullers) Hoodies / petty crime...didnt see any. Lots of graffiti on and around the train though. Overcrowding. Actually the bits of London we went through seemed to be pretty well covered for parks and farmland areas around. Nice playgrounds seemed a common feature. Public Footpaths / Right of way. What a joy, paths everywhere! Dont get that sort of access to the countryside here in Ontario. My overall conclusion, if you have a house and a decent job to pay for travel and a few awaydays, I cant understand why you would throw it away to come to Canada for the sake of a larger house. England is a pretty nice place...IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO LIVE IN A NICE AREA. Based on visiting family in Woking Surrey and a North Beds Village, and a friend in Radcliffe near Nottingham. Was nice to get back home though and get a decent coffee and a shower and sleep in my own bed too. Im so sorry to hear about your mom's death iain. I hope you were able to spend some time with her before she died. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Stay strong surrounded by the love of family and friends and keep those memories of mom close to your heart forever! |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by willmore
(Post 4685681)
Im so sorry to hear about your mom's death iain. I hope you were able to spend some time with her before she died. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Stay strong surrounded by the love of family and friends and keep those memories of mom close to your heart forever!
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 4685677)
Isnt the whole tarring of one particular subset of people with blatant generalisations about their behaviour (They will work for a pittance, and they make no attempt to learn the language) inherently racist? One size does not fit all.
And if you think Canada is any different in terms of integration of different peoples and the "dilution" of the native tongues, then you have not done enough research. After living in Vancouver for 3 years I am surrounded by different cultures/nationalities and quite a lot of them have not intergrated into Canadian life, by their own choice. That's not much different from the UK |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by Souvenir
(Post 4685664)
If that does happen, your chances of emigrating are pretty slim.
for the Smiths can't find a dictionary where ignorance=racism, but Observation which is what I posted=perception. the faculty of taking notice. I think you are getting this mixed up with persecution=an irrational fear that others are scheming against one. I wasn't scheming against one therefore why persecute one for their observations jo |
Re: A few thoughts
Unfortunately, when it comes to race issues it is very hard to say something either in the positive or the negative without being perceived wrongly by someone. Everyone has their own interpretation of what and what isn't racist (as well as that which is blatant racism which almost everyone would agree on) so no matter who says what there is always going to be a counter point of view.
Seeing as how we are now two of Canada's immigrant population and having been treated with nothing but kindness and courtesy I consider us to be very lucky because I know there are people on this forum who have experienced racism. The trouble is, it happens, it's always been there in one form or another in all countries and it is down to the person you are as to how you choose to deal with it and the personal experience you have encountered as to how it affects your perception. The sad thing is though that this is one subject that causes so many misconceptions - whether it be someone thinking someone is being racist when they really are not or someone actually being racist because they don't understand the facts and this, in my experience as an equalities awareness training officer (which covers most of the ISMs in case anyone wondered), is where the problem lies and one that I hope will get easier as the world becomes smaller... we live in hope :) |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by fishfinger
(Post 4685714)
After living in Vancouver for 3 years I am surrounded by different cultures/nationalities and quite a lot of them have not intergrated into Canadian life, by their own choice. That's not much different from the UK
(Ref : "Canada for Dummies") So you are free to dress, speak, live etc. according to your choice. In return expect to be treated differently. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by startwin
(Post 4685636)
I haven't seen much of a racist posting on here, but rather simple observations and relating of their own experiences. Is it really racist to state a fact? The poster who told the story of the whole department of non-English-speaking employees and the subsequent work-related accident wasn't being racist.
What I wanna know is where are the Pakis now? What do they do now everything is the fault of the Poles? |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by bear-diesel
(Post 4685751)
Sorry to dissapoint you souv but apart from my broad northern accent( don't know if I can say that as it may be misconstrued as racism) I speak, listen undertand and sometimes write perfect English!!!
for the Smiths can't find a dictionary where ignorance=racism, but Observation which is what I posted=perception. the faculty of taking notice. I think you are getting this mixed up with persecution=an irrational fear that others are scheming against one. I wasn't scheming against one therefore why persecute one for their observations jo |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4685763)
What I wanna know is where are the Pakis now? What do they do now everything is the fault of the Poles?
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by flashman
(Post 4685773)
When I lived in the UK the Pakis were accused of all of the problems. A classic story at the time was that Tuff Shoes discontinued their lifetime warranty because Pakis working shifts at the cotton mills were sharing the same pair of shoes so the shoes got 3 tiimes the wear.
lol! I bet they passed them on to the Poles. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4685763)
An undocumented tale which boils down to "the place has gone to the dogs because of them Poles" (in this case the place being a car plant) is simple racism, innit?
What I wanna know is where are the Pakis now? What do they do now everything is the fault of the Poles? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by skiboy10
(Post 4685785)
Can someone explain to me why it is considered racist to refer to Pakis yet we call other nationalities Canucks, Poles, Aussies, Brits, Yanks as appropriate. Is it because of special sensitivity on the part of the inhabitants of Pakistan? (No criticism of dbd33 is intended)
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4685800)
"Paki" is an insult, the analogue would be "Polack", not Pole.
2. What is an acceptable abbreviation? I'm not being a pain - I genuinely want to know! :confused: :unsure: |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by skiboy10
(Post 4685785)
Can someone explain to me why it is considered racist to refer to Pakis yet we call other nationalities Canucks, Poles, Aussies, Brits, Yanks as appropriate. Is it because of special sensitivity on the part of the inhabitants of Pakistan? (No criticism of dbd33 is intended)
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by skiboy10
(Post 4685812)
OK then 1. Who decided it was an insult?
2. What is an acceptable abbreviation? I'm not being a pain - I genuinely want to know! :confused: :unsure: "**** off, you snaggle toothed limey skinhead." but that just invites you to reply that you personally don't have bad teeth or short hair. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by bear-diesel
(Post 4685751)
Sorry to dissapoint you souv but apart from my broad northern accent( don't know if I can say that as it may be misconstrued as racism) I speak, listen undertand and sometimes write perfect English!!!
for the Smiths can't find a dictionary where ignorance=racism, but Observation which is what I posted=perception. the faculty of taking notice. I think you are getting this mixed up with persecution=an irrational fear that others are scheming against one. I wasn't scheming against one therefore why persecute one for their observations jo |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4685847)
Are you sure that English is your first language?
and BTW This post wasnt for us to enter into a discussion about racism - thin we need to appreciate the OP comments as to why he posted. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by burton bunch
(Post 4685862)
Really sorry but that is plain RUDE :curse:
and BTW This post wasnt for us to enter into a discussion about racism - thin we need to appreciate the OP comments as to why he posted. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 4685778)
lol! I bet they passed them on to the Poles.
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by burton bunch
(Post 4685862)
Really sorry but that is plain RUDE :curse:
and BTW This post wasnt for us to enter into a discussion about racism - thin we need to appreciate the OP comments as to why he posted. |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by skiboy10
(Post 4685812)
OK then 1. Who decided it was an insult?
2. What is an acceptable abbreviation? I'm not being a pain - I genuinely want to know! :confused: :unsure: |
Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4685966)
Are you Bear diesel's mum or something?
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thank you to all those who wished me well on ppr. i didn't respond as it seemed inappropriate to potentially hi-jack the thread from iain, given the sensitivity of his original post. given the latter i would have thought a little respect was in order for a fellow human being. ironic that what i tried to avoid has happened, but in a completely different way, by apparently several BNP members. Oh sorry, forgot they are a legitimate political party aren't they. i'm surprised the moderators haven't moved this to where it belongs to save us reading posts from people hiding their prejudice behind the tired old 'big brother', 'free speech, 'its my country' one liners.
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Re: A few thoughts
Originally Posted by The Smiths
(Post 4685847)
Are you sure that English is your first language?
Who jumped the gun then:confused: thank god they abolished hanging and sacked you:thumbsup: jo |
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