Can we just enjoy the limited summer first before talking about winter? Trying not to think about the fact it's nearly August

It's winter here though!! By far and away the best time of year here in Sydney. People are wandering around in long boots and down jackets, pretending that 17 degrees is cold

yeah ............. I thought that might be fun

As long as someone else was doing the mushing

When I was working, I took transit to work in the mornings, and Vancouver while nowhere near as cold as elsewhere, can be chilly in the early mornings especially when waiting at 2 bus stops for buses that are running late, and don't connect anyway.

I had (still have) waterproof jackets from Lands End that are rated warm down to -25C, and wore a light turtleneck sweater underneath. I was perfectly warm waiting at bus stops, and comfortable at work.

I wear heavier sweaters, or add a cardigan, another sweater or a down vest under the same jacket when we go north or across country, and find I am still comfortable outside in the cold and in houses or offices.

Malls and stores are always the problem ............. unless you can find somewhere to leave the jacket!

I'm sorry I'm on a tablet....that doesn't seem to play too well with other posters! Where are you Pine Cone? Is it 'actually' cold? Surely not even here???

I now realize Sydney...but is it cold?

Compared to the 45 degree days we've had here over the last summer, yes it probably does feel pretty cold by comparison. But 17 degrees just isn't 'cold' - not really. We've never needed mroe than a regular sweatshirt hoodie here in winter apart from once when there was an viscious arctic blast and it got to -3 overnight, but even then it is so dry that my down jacket and a beanie was all the addition I needed.

Ha - 17c in winter and an Aussie summer. Maybe I should move down under.

Actually ....... I think Pine Cone meant it was +17C, and some are wearing boots and fur coats

I've been there and seen it

Yep, +17 degrees and people are dressed in down jackets, beanie hats and long winter boots. Actually it's the women who are in long winter boots. Men invariably have bare legs to go with their down jackets and beanie hats.