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Old Apr 9th 2006 | 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Tiaribbon
I honestly do think that if you try to look at emigrating as just moving, then it really isn't such a big deal - if you look at it as a "dream" you may end up in a nightmare! Don't put Canada on a pedestal - just accept her for what she is = just somewhere else to live.
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I have lived here for 43 years. Met and married my wonderful wife here. Have two great sons. Had a super career, and I'm enjoying a great retiremement, well except for a couple of health issues I could do without.

However in all my years here no-one has put into words how I feel about Canada until you just did. Canada has been great to me but may not be for others and at the end of the day it is just somewhere else to live.

Thank you.
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Old Apr 9th 2006 | 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Tiaribbon
Dream? I'd hardly call it a dream. But I guess it depends on what you mean by dream. Life for me in Canada is almost identical to my life in the UK. I loved living in the UK and I love living in Canada. There are some differences but no more so than if you were to move to a different area of the UK.

The weather and the bugs are probably the biggest difference. The summers are possibly too hot (I can't believe I said that as I am a sunworshipper!!), the bugs are incessant but you do get used to them surprisingly. The winters are absolutely glorious!! I love the winters - dress correctly and you will love it too.......to wake up to blue skies and beautiful sunshine almost EVERY single morning in winter is just fabulous!!! Spring is a lovely season because it comes and goes sooooo quickly - changes appear literally before your eyes. Autumn/Fall is spectacular. I love the 4 seasons here.

We have always lived in small communities in the UK and have always been welcomed; as we have been welcomed here in Canada.

We used to have friends call in to see us unannounced in the UK if they were passing; the same happens here in Canada.

Money is harder to come by over here - or maybe not, thinking about it we had 2 very healthy incomes in the UK and only one now - still surviving and as our business is really summer orientated it should pull in far more income through the summer months than it did in the winter months, although the winter months weren't too bad surprisingly.

Our 9 year old daughter does miss her brothers and her Grandparents, however they have all been out to stay with us here in Ontario and everyone who has come out here has completely and utterly understood why we have done what we have done and love the area and our property as much as we do. My daughter has settled into school well, although the education system here is seriously substandard to the level she was being taught at in England. Having said that, she does enjoy school here - I think the laid back approach and the easiness of it all suits her, LOL!! She has as many friends here as she had in England and after a year and a half of living here, she has just recently been saying that she thinks she likes Canada better although she does still have wonderful memories of England.

Our life is not settled yet though as I live here with my daughter and my husband still lives in the UK. This has worked well but we both look forward to him being out here permanently hopefully by the end of this year. My husband dislikes returning to the UK, not because he dislikes the UK, but because he feels his home is here now. I can understand that, as I would hate to do this commute too.

We have many very good friends here - actually terrific friends; but again no better or worse than the wonderful friends we still have in England.

I honestly do think that if you try to look at emigrating as just moving, then it really isn't such a big deal - if you look at it as a "dream" you may end up in a nightmare! Don't put Canada on a pedestal - just accept her for what she is = just somewhere else to live.
This is a wonderful balanced view... nice. My comment would be that happiness is not a factor of where you live but of the opportunities that exist around you and your motivation to take advantage of them - whichever country you live in. The grass is rarely "greener" on the other side. If want change why not try a move WITHIN the UK first rather than go through the financial and emotional roller coaster of emigration. My experience is that ultimately, you would probably settle into a similar patten of lifestyle in Canada as you have in the UK, with a few differences dictated by your surroundings.

Good luck with your decision.
 
Old Apr 9th 2006 | 6:53 pm
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maybe the thing is not to think of it as a dream, that puts too much pressure on it. ifyou were to relocate in the UK, new job, new region etc, you wouldnt call it a dream, so is it really so different?
 
Old Apr 9th 2006 | 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Tiaribbon
I honestly do think that if you try to look at emigrating as just moving, then it really isn't such a big deal - if you look at it as a "dream" you may end up in a nightmare! Don't put Canada on a pedestal - just accept her for what she is = just somewhere else to live.

Great summary. The only thing I can add is to have the right attitude,

Stay positive and flexible. If you're going to be super critical with a rigid/negative outlook, then you're going to have a hard time. But that would apply even if you moved within the UK.
 
Old Apr 9th 2006 | 8:55 pm
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I'm so glad that I started this thread - everyone has had such great advice. It has made me realise that the real question I was asking was 'Will our expectations be fulfilled?', but as many have you have rightly said, your life is what you make it wherever you live. If we make the move, some of our expectations may be fulfilled, but we definitely will be flexible and open-minded about the move. We need to take it for what it is and put all of the effort in ourselves to make the life we want (as we would here). In short, there are no guarantees and we want to be realistic about the whole thing, as viewing it as a 'dream' can only end in disappointment.

As a country, however, Canada definitley seems to offer a structure that would suit us - we would love the community feel and the friendships offered, not to mention the lovely surroundings in many places. Much of what has been mentioned within this thread appeals to us.

I admire anyone who loves England, but for us we have never felt that this will be our permanent home - maybe we just live in the wrong area. However, we are not comfortable with how the country is being run and the yob culture that seems to be rife today (as we have personally experienced, unfortunately), among other things.

Thanks again to everyone - we do have a positive, flexible outlook and hope that this, along with any research, will help us to build a life in Canada.
 
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As a country, however, Canada definitely seems to offer a structure that would suit us - we would love the community feel and the friendships offered, not to mention the lovely surroundings in many places. Much of what has been mentioned within this thread appeals to us.
The reality is Canada is no better or worse than the UK, it all depends on the individual town, or part of the city you live.. good and bad exist here too and in a similar ratio

I admire anyone who loves England, but for us we have never felt that this will be our permanent home - maybe we just live in the wrong area. However, we are not comfortable with how the country is being run and the yob culture that seems to be rife today (as we have personally experienced, unfortunately), among other things.
Guess what if you think the UK is run badly, the politicians over here are no better… think about it millions in natural resources plus a low population and we’re still close to the bottom of the G8 nations, Politicians and governments by their nature and due to the people they employee tend to be at least a little corrupt and a lot incompetent..
Oh whilst I’m at it swap “Yob” culture for US style gang culture..

Don’t get me wrong Canada is not a bad place, but it not a great place either ….
It’s just like any other G8 nation, a mix of good and bad that on average is good more often than bad… that is if you have enough money

Canada is not the place to be poor…
 
Old Apr 10th 2006 | 3:21 am
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Canada is not the place to be poor…
Boy you sure got that right, and the current Ralph's world, my home province of Alberta is without doubt the worst place in Canada to be poor.
 
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we’re still close to the bottom of the G8 nations

Canada is not the place to be poor…
I wonder just how many hours are expected out of 30 million people in order to create turnover. Perhaps the 24 hour working day to improve poductivity just to get out of the lower end of the G8. LIke I said to the Times economist who had to take the head out of the arse. Italy has a higher GDP therefore on the surface higher in the G8 terms. But the fact that its National Debt is higher than its GDP got lost on him. And there is no hope of it getting better long term. Perhaps the 60 million in Italy should get a move on...?

No where is nice to be poor.

But at least in the UK as a national one can sit on ones arse if need be.
 
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Originally Posted by SANDRAPAUL
No where is nice to be poor.

But at least in the UK as a national one can sit on ones arse if need be.

Well said, but we're running outta room here LOL It'll soon be like playing musical chairs!
 
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Originally Posted by Craftybanshee
Which part of the UK are you specifcally describing with your comments? Tarring it all with the same brush I suspect. You don't mention where you're living now. No country is perfect and I'm offended at your slagging off of the UK. I no longer live in London (moved away a decade ago) but have just spent a weekend there and had no trouble with the public transport system. We didn't have to wait for longer than a couple of minutes for a tube and got around the city with ease.

I didn't like your post and find you a rather patronising person but then to quote you "No doubt many here will want to defend their homeland and take exception to that paragraph, but remember, it is MY perception. You don't have to agree with it but you cannot change it. So don't waste your time." I'm so glad you left the UK 'cos we can do without ignorant persons such as you!
We moved from the UK last year for many of the reasons stated by Athome, we lived in Bedfordshire and were unhappy with the way kids behaved, the levels of education and childcare facilities, the bus service was pathetic (I worked 20 mins from our town, it would have taken 2 hrs to get to work if I had to take a bus!), we were in the commuter belt for London so trains to London were fairly frequent, but crowded and dirty. We wouldn't walk 'down the town' after dark (9pmish) because of all the drunks spitting and swearing and generally being a nuisance, cars would race up and down our street at all hours with music blaring (we didn't live on a main road by any means). We now live in a city five times the size of the small market town we moved from, it's clean, the kids are polite, you don't see drunken yobs every where (and there are some in downtown). My daughter sometimes misses her friends but ask her if she wants to go back and the answer is always NO WAY!
 
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Originally Posted by Piff Poff
We moved from the UK last year for many of the reasons stated by Athome, we lived in Bedfordshire and were unhappy with the way kids behaved, the levels of education and childcare facilities, the bus service was pathetic (I worked 20 mins from our town, it would have taken 2 hrs to get to work if I had to take a bus!), we were in the commuter belt for London so trains to London were fairly frequent, but crowded and dirty. We wouldn't walk 'down the town' after dark (9pmish) because of all the drunks spitting and swearing and generally being a nuisance, cars would race up and down our street at all hours with music blaring (we didn't live on a main road by any means). We now live in a city five times the size of the small market town we moved from, it's clean, the kids are polite, you don't see drunken yobs every where (and there are some in downtown). My daughter sometimes misses her friends but ask her if she wants to go back and the answer is always NO WAY!
We also live in a small market town in bedfordshire in the london commuter belt, and i understand exactly what you are saying piff poff
 
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We also live in a small market town in bedfordshire in the london commuter belt, and i understand exactly what you are saying piff poff
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Old Apr 11th 2006 | 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by karen wild
athome,
i many ways i agree with you and my gran is from cuba, lived in jamaica then has been here since the fifties. my mum came from jamaica in 1961. the uk had no pull factors for them, but jamaica certainly gave them push ones!!
but they were young enopugh to make mistakes, get jobs and build themselves up over many years. i do not have that sort of time!
for me i no longer have to worry about healthcare eligibility, professional exams for both nursing and social work, no worries about having a weak currency but never being able to afford to fly and spend when i come back to the u.k, no GST/PST issues,having no canadian experience,and asking constantly on this forum whether a 10 dollar a hour job will be enough to live in canada.
but for the boys i am sad about it all and i think it would be a great opportunity for them but not for me.
Hi Karen,

Ignore this if you like .. just me being nosy, but have CIC returned your money yet? Just curious, 'cos I might be asking for mine back, too, and wondered how long it takes ...
 
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not received it as yet. apparently it takes 3-6 months.
it was funny coz mr miller was adamant about only getting back the ROLF only. when i typed in the email that i got from CIC (verbatim) he retracted his statement and talked about visa post or summat and that it was perhaps possible to get all fees back. i am sure he will contradict me when he sees this post.
are u seriuosly considering pulling out.
write to them first to ask about retraction, then wait for them to contact u.
they were probably grateful someone has withdrawn instead of submitting.
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Ignore this if you like .. just me being nosy, but have CIC returned your money yet? Just curious, 'cos I might be asking for mine back, too, and wondered how long it takes ...
 
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not received it as yet. apparently it takes 3-6 months.
it was funny coz mr miller was adamant about only getting back the ROLF only. when i typed in the email that i got from CIC (verbatim) he retracted his statement and talked about visa post or summat and that it was perhaps possible to get all fees back. i am sure he will contradict me when he sees this post.
are u seriuosly considering pulling out.
write to them first to ask about retraction, then wait for them to contact u.
they were probably grateful someone has withdrawn instead of submitting.
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Thanks, Karen

They certainly don't rush themselves, do they ..

I am waiting to hear from them at the moment .. March white letter .. I suspect they will reject me, so they should return the ROLF anyway.
If they want me to attend an interview, I will tell them to stick it .. I've had enough ..

Glad you don't have too many regrets .. I think you made the right choice.

Thanks again, and good luck ..
 


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