Curious escapee from NZ forum!
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Hi
Well, I am living in NZ at the minute and have just got my residency for Canada last year after a long 3yrs and I cant wait to get out of here to get to Canada.
Im probably going to upset a few Kiwis here but honestly it has nothing to do with the people (who are fantastic and I mean fantastic) or the scenery (which is breathtaking).
However the post above hit it on the head when they said that NZ is Little Britain or it is going that way. The opportunities are minimal here as in Canada they are vast. Everything has an unrealistic price tag on things and it costs a fortune to go anywhere from here.
Believe me from someone that lives here and has done for 3yrs, get yourself to Canada the land of plenty. Ive been to Canada many times and believe me I wish I had of waited it out to get there before coming here.
Hope this helps By the way Christmas that must make 2 of us now!!!
Well, I am living in NZ at the minute and have just got my residency for Canada last year after a long 3yrs and I cant wait to get out of here to get to Canada.
Im probably going to upset a few Kiwis here but honestly it has nothing to do with the people (who are fantastic and I mean fantastic) or the scenery (which is breathtaking).
However the post above hit it on the head when they said that NZ is Little Britain or it is going that way. The opportunities are minimal here as in Canada they are vast. Everything has an unrealistic price tag on things and it costs a fortune to go anywhere from here.
Believe me from someone that lives here and has done for 3yrs, get yourself to Canada the land of plenty. Ive been to Canada many times and believe me I wish I had of waited it out to get there before coming here.
Hope this helps By the way Christmas that must make 2 of us now!!!
Really depends on a lot of factors (jobs, location etc), but this ain't the land of plenty. NZ may be small, but they seem more comfortable with themselves than America Jr. I lived in Wellington and really, I don't understand why Vancouver is the media darling. Wellington is just as beautiful as Vancouver and the nightlife, culture was better there too. Canada may be a better place for you, but take the rose-tints off for a bit.
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Wow! I'm taken aback by the response! Thank you all very much for the replies, I'm not sure where to begin in replying to them all!!
I will attempt in the following post, apologies if I don't get around to everyone...I've never seen Desperate Housewives either so I will have to keep my eyes open for them!!
I will attempt in the following post, apologies if I don't get around to everyone...I've never seen Desperate Housewives either so I will have to keep my eyes open for them!!
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Welcome, I hope your not punished for escaping.
Firstly, I would do a little background check. See what options are open because the rules regarding permanent residence visa applications changed last year. Have a read in the Wiki section to see if you meet the requirements.
I myself have not moved yet but I am hoping to receive my visa shortly (or win the lotto, as I have been praying very hard for either options), so can't provide any more advice but be patient someone will be along shortly with some words of wisdom.
Firstly, I would do a little background check. See what options are open because the rules regarding permanent residence visa applications changed last year. Have a read in the Wiki section to see if you meet the requirements.
I myself have not moved yet but I am hoping to receive my visa shortly (or win the lotto, as I have been praying very hard for either options), so can't provide any more advice but be patient someone will be along shortly with some words of wisdom.
Thanks for the Wiki advice, I heard that Canada are tightening up their immigration policy, good on them! Fortunately, my trade (electrician) is still on the list, fingers crossed it will stay their for the foreseeable future!
Good luck with the visa!
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Hello,
Ever since I went to NZ in 2001, I have wanted to work there - temporarily initially with a view to settling. Then I married a Canadian, so emigrating from the UK to Canada is now plan A.
Canada and NZ share many things. Mountains (although none here in SW Ontario), lots of space, the potential to buy a big house for relatively fewer pounds Sterling, Commonwealth countries, a national love for the great outdoors and BBQs. I would say that NZ and BC ain't that different. Sometimes it rains, sometimes it snows, sometimes it's sunny.
Canada is obviously much bigger. They drive on the wrong side of the road. Ice hockey is a religion. NZ is probably "more British", in the sense that rugby and cricket are the main sports and you are more likely to find a fish and chip shop and a pub. The Kiwis make better beer. The Canadians have flat sausage. The Kiwis have lots of quality lamb. The Canadians have Alberta beef.
Depends on what you're looking for!
Ever since I went to NZ in 2001, I have wanted to work there - temporarily initially with a view to settling. Then I married a Canadian, so emigrating from the UK to Canada is now plan A.
Canada and NZ share many things. Mountains (although none here in SW Ontario), lots of space, the potential to buy a big house for relatively fewer pounds Sterling, Commonwealth countries, a national love for the great outdoors and BBQs. I would say that NZ and BC ain't that different. Sometimes it rains, sometimes it snows, sometimes it's sunny.
Canada is obviously much bigger. They drive on the wrong side of the road. Ice hockey is a religion. NZ is probably "more British", in the sense that rugby and cricket are the main sports and you are more likely to find a fish and chip shop and a pub. The Kiwis make better beer. The Canadians have flat sausage. The Kiwis have lots of quality lamb. The Canadians have Alberta beef.
Depends on what you're looking for!
Everything I've heard about Canada is very positive, and I know what you mean about how British NZ is in parts... I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not!
Really what we are after is somewhere quiet, rural but with proximity to a large town or city (mainly for when the children grow up) and somewhere we can be more in touch with the 'great outdoors'! Does it get very crowded over there in BC?
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Poppy2 lived in NZ for 4 years and has now been in Canada (NS) for 18 months. I am sure that she would answer any questions you have. Also, I remember a couple of "Canada v NZ" threads, if you do a search you will probably find them.
#21
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Hi and welcome to the Canadian part of the forum! We're much nicer on this side anyway.............
As a pp has suggested, your best bet is to first have a look at the Wiki and see if you would be eligible for a visa. From my understanding, Canada is now harder to get in to than NZ and Oz, so before you do too much research into areas, etc, that should be your first check.
Feel free to ask questions about the particular visa route you think you will go down and somebody on here will help you.
As for people that have been in NZ and moved to Canada, we've definitely got at least one forum member that has done that. I just can't for the life of me remember their name! But they have applied for PR and I believe are currently in NZ waiting to move to Canada. If you do a search of the forum it might throw up their details, but I'll let you know if you it suddenly comes to me later.
Good luck.
As a pp has suggested, your best bet is to first have a look at the Wiki and see if you would be eligible for a visa. From my understanding, Canada is now harder to get in to than NZ and Oz, so before you do too much research into areas, etc, that should be your first check.
Feel free to ask questions about the particular visa route you think you will go down and somebody on here will help you.
As for people that have been in NZ and moved to Canada, we've definitely got at least one forum member that has done that. I just can't for the life of me remember their name! But they have applied for PR and I believe are currently in NZ waiting to move to Canada. If you do a search of the forum it might throw up their details, but I'll let you know if you it suddenly comes to me later.
Good luck.
#22
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Hi
Well, I am living in NZ at the minute and have just got my residency for Canada last year after a long 3yrs and I cant wait to get out of here to get to Canada.
Im probably going to upset a few Kiwis here but honestly it has nothing to do with the people (who are fantastic and I mean fantastic) or the scenery (which is breathtaking).
However the post above hit it on the head when they said that NZ is Little Britain or it is going that way. The opportunities are minimal here as in Canada they are vast. Everything has an unrealistic price tag on things and it costs a fortune to go anywhere from here.
Believe me from someone that lives here and has done for 3yrs, get yourself to Canada the land of plenty. Ive been to Canada many times and believe me I wish I had of waited it out to get there before coming here.
Hope this helps By the way Christmas that must make 2 of us now!!!
Well, I am living in NZ at the minute and have just got my residency for Canada last year after a long 3yrs and I cant wait to get out of here to get to Canada.
Im probably going to upset a few Kiwis here but honestly it has nothing to do with the people (who are fantastic and I mean fantastic) or the scenery (which is breathtaking).
However the post above hit it on the head when they said that NZ is Little Britain or it is going that way. The opportunities are minimal here as in Canada they are vast. Everything has an unrealistic price tag on things and it costs a fortune to go anywhere from here.
Believe me from someone that lives here and has done for 3yrs, get yourself to Canada the land of plenty. Ive been to Canada many times and believe me I wish I had of waited it out to get there before coming here.
Hope this helps By the way Christmas that must make 2 of us now!!!
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*waves* we spent a good 6 months looking into OZ but couldnt get a visa, apparently crane drivers, altho desperately needed on the ground, are not on the list and as we all know - if you are not on the list you are not coming in. canada is closer, cooler ( i hate really really really hot heat) and we are on the list. still gonna take years and thousands of Ā£Ā£s but its our long term goal so fingers crossed.
we are looking at BC, hoping to start job hunting in jan/feb ( if / when we sell our house) go over on a TWP then apply for PR after 3 pay slips ( to prove he is working in canada) looking into schools and if aspergers will cause my ds to fail his medical ( he is a higher functioning aspergers 9yo, basically his iq is massive but he occasionally has problems with behaviour)
we are looking at BC, hoping to start job hunting in jan/feb ( if / when we sell our house) go over on a TWP then apply for PR after 3 pay slips ( to prove he is working in canada) looking into schools and if aspergers will cause my ds to fail his medical ( he is a higher functioning aspergers 9yo, basically his iq is massive but he occasionally has problems with behaviour)
Good luck with the job hunting
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I'm a Kiwi who's recently (November) moved over to Vancouver. I'm currently working through the PR process so I can stay.
I moved because I got to the point in my career (software development) where there wasn't much opportunity left in NZ. I was getting very bored and there were no roles around that interested me. (I worked for a large IT consultancy that you will have heard of).
Clearly, I'm biased towards Canada but get homesick at times so take that onboard.
Kiwis *think* that they are outdoorsy people - they're not. A Canadian's idea of what to do for a holiday is to go camping and they *all* do. It surprised me during one public holiday at the start of summer that everybody I knew (it seemed) was off camping.
Vancouver has very easy access to the outdoors with a big harbour and the fantastic North Shore mountains with the gnarliest trails you've ever seen (I'm a trail runner, ok, difficult trails make me happy).
NZ is very much a primary products based economy. Dairy, lamb, beef, wool and tourism make up the majority of what goes on. I forget the figures but those 5 categories would be perhaps 60-70% of NZ's export earnings and I think I'm being conservative.
Canada has a much more broad based economy. You have a primary sector (wood and beef) along with oil and out east you have manufacturing. Sure any one sector might be having a problem but that's the joy of a diversified economy.
Canada is also generally richer than NZ. You can see this in the quality of the infrastructure and services that are provided.
Canadians are nice people and are very friendly. The women are more relaxed and outgoing than Kiwis generally are. The general attitude to life is much the same though - i.e. vaguely market socialist. Think that capitalism works very well but that it needs a heart.
The US is a big factor in Canada and I'm not sure I know enough to tell how much. Certainly, the downturn in the US is and will continue to affect Canada but Canada is not the US and has other things going on.
Employment-wise I found lots of opportunities in my career and am now doing a fantasticly interesting job and learning far, far more than I ever would have back home.
NZ is small and far away from everywhere. That affects everything.
Yes, I miss NZ and I wish things had meant I could have stayed. I never thought I was going to leave NZ until life made it quite clear I needed to.
I moved because I got to the point in my career (software development) where there wasn't much opportunity left in NZ. I was getting very bored and there were no roles around that interested me. (I worked for a large IT consultancy that you will have heard of).
Clearly, I'm biased towards Canada but get homesick at times so take that onboard.
Kiwis *think* that they are outdoorsy people - they're not. A Canadian's idea of what to do for a holiday is to go camping and they *all* do. It surprised me during one public holiday at the start of summer that everybody I knew (it seemed) was off camping.
Vancouver has very easy access to the outdoors with a big harbour and the fantastic North Shore mountains with the gnarliest trails you've ever seen (I'm a trail runner, ok, difficult trails make me happy).
NZ is very much a primary products based economy. Dairy, lamb, beef, wool and tourism make up the majority of what goes on. I forget the figures but those 5 categories would be perhaps 60-70% of NZ's export earnings and I think I'm being conservative.
Canada has a much more broad based economy. You have a primary sector (wood and beef) along with oil and out east you have manufacturing. Sure any one sector might be having a problem but that's the joy of a diversified economy.
Canada is also generally richer than NZ. You can see this in the quality of the infrastructure and services that are provided.
Canadians are nice people and are very friendly. The women are more relaxed and outgoing than Kiwis generally are. The general attitude to life is much the same though - i.e. vaguely market socialist. Think that capitalism works very well but that it needs a heart.
The US is a big factor in Canada and I'm not sure I know enough to tell how much. Certainly, the downturn in the US is and will continue to affect Canada but Canada is not the US and has other things going on.
Employment-wise I found lots of opportunities in my career and am now doing a fantasticly interesting job and learning far, far more than I ever would have back home.
NZ is small and far away from everywhere. That affects everything.
Yes, I miss NZ and I wish things had meant I could have stayed. I never thought I was going to leave NZ until life made it quite clear I needed to.
If Kiwis aren't outdoor people I'd love to hear what you think of us Brits!! lol
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I spent 3yrs in NZ and had a very good job there (long story). I did enjoy it, but it is a fairly isolated place. Now I live in BC (another long story). It's obviously a bigger, more americanised place. Bureaucracy is more turgid here than in NZ. I don't find it cheap here at all. Flights to to UK are still $1000+ and internal flights ain't that cheap either. It may be a bigger market here, but there is lots of protectionism, closed shop union stuff etc.
Really depends on a lot of factors (jobs, location etc), but this ain't the land of plenty. NZ may be small, but they seem more comfortable with themselves than America Jr. I lived in Wellington and really, I don't understand why Vancouver is the media darling. Wellington is just as beautiful as Vancouver and the nightlife, culture was better there too. Canada may be a better place for you, but take the rose-tints off for a bit.
Really depends on a lot of factors (jobs, location etc), but this ain't the land of plenty. NZ may be small, but they seem more comfortable with themselves than America Jr. I lived in Wellington and really, I don't understand why Vancouver is the media darling. Wellington is just as beautiful as Vancouver and the nightlife, culture was better there too. Canada may be a better place for you, but take the rose-tints off for a bit.
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Hi! Thanks, I will look her up and see what she says! I'll also have a look for some of the threads you mentioned, I'm sure they will make great reading!
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I'm curious what it is you are looking for/ trying to get away from, although I have to confess I havent gone back and read all thats gone before.
Last edited by iaink; Jul 16th 2009 at 8:02 pm.
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Thought seriously about NZ before finally starting the Canadian process, and spend a while down there looking around; conclusions in a nutshell were beautiful place, job opportunities in my specialties limited, Western Canada far better connected for both career potential and travel purposes (plus all the other upside conclusions I'd already drawn on previous time here).
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Hi Dave,
We spent 2 months in NZ back in 2001 and loved it. Were actually planning to move there for a year on a working holiday visa, but opted for BC instead.
Ended up turning the working holiday visa into a permanent move and 4 years later still loving life here..... The problem with NZ is its so far from home (Vancouver is an 8hr - 500quid(return) flight), plus the career prospects are far better than the south island (unless you're a sheep shearer ).
Here in Vancouver you get all the things NZ offer from an outdoor prospective (Skiing/mt biking/hiking/kayaking) yet you can also live and work in a city. Thats the big draw for us. Sure there is a price to pay - houses are expensive, as is the cost of living - but no more than the UK.
Why are you emigrating - what are you looking for? How often will you return to the uk, and how often will you want visitors?
Good luck!
Rob
We spent 2 months in NZ back in 2001 and loved it. Were actually planning to move there for a year on a working holiday visa, but opted for BC instead.
Ended up turning the working holiday visa into a permanent move and 4 years later still loving life here..... The problem with NZ is its so far from home (Vancouver is an 8hr - 500quid(return) flight), plus the career prospects are far better than the south island (unless you're a sheep shearer ).
Here in Vancouver you get all the things NZ offer from an outdoor prospective (Skiing/mt biking/hiking/kayaking) yet you can also live and work in a city. Thats the big draw for us. Sure there is a price to pay - houses are expensive, as is the cost of living - but no more than the UK.
Why are you emigrating - what are you looking for? How often will you return to the uk, and how often will you want visitors?
Good luck!
Rob