Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Mar 13th 2014, 5:14 pm
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Mar 13th 2014, 5:16 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Jeez, christmasoompa, which part of "I completed secondary education," don't you understand?
In Canada that means graduated. So in a letter from the school they would expect to read, 'J. Brown graduated in 19xx from this school'. Or, 'J. Brown completed year 4' or some such statement. Not just, 'J. Brown attended this school till age 16.'
All this nonsense when all Slippy has to do is pick up the phone (Skype), call the company and ask to speak to someone in HR or Personnel.
If I were the person trying to get the job, I could make the call and have the answer in the next 10 minutes probably. There is no need to be making a meal out of it like this.
In Canada that means graduated. So in a letter from the school they would expect to read, 'J. Brown graduated in 19xx from this school'. Or, 'J. Brown completed year 4' or some such statement. Not just, 'J. Brown attended this school till age 16.'
All this nonsense when all Slippy has to do is pick up the phone (Skype), call the company and ask to speak to someone in HR or Personnel.
If I were the person trying to get the job, I could make the call and have the answer in the next 10 minutes probably. There is no need to be making a meal out of it like this.
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Mar 13th 2014, 5:19 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Jeez, christmasoompa, which part of "I completed secondary education," don't you understand?
In Canada that means graduated. So in a letter from the school they would expect to read, 'J. Brown graduated in 19xx from this school'. Or, 'J. Brown completed year 4' or some such statement. Not just, 'J. Brown attended this school till age 16.'
All this nonsense when all Slippy has to do is pick up the phone (Skype), call the company and ask to speak to someone in HR or Personnel.
If I were the person trying to get the job, I could make the call and have the answer in the next 10 minutes probably. There is no need to be making a meal out if like this.
In Canada that means graduated. So in a letter from the school they would expect to read, 'J. Brown graduated in 19xx from this school'. Or, 'J. Brown completed year 4' or some such statement. Not just, 'J. Brown attended this school till age 16.'
All this nonsense when all Slippy has to do is pick up the phone (Skype), call the company and ask to speak to someone in HR or Personnel.
If I were the person trying to get the job, I could make the call and have the answer in the next 10 minutes probably. There is no need to be making a meal out if like this.
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Mar 13th 2014, 5:21 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Thank you as i thought someone would post something similar tae help slippy out in easy to understand english.
After all its a non skilled truck driving job.
After all its a non skilled truck driving job.
Mar 13th 2014, 5:27 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
FWIW I can't meet Dulciusexasperis's definition of having completed high school. Fortunately, no one has ever asked me for any sort of educational attainment certificate. What I'd do in Slippy's position is to get whatever letter the school will give, perhaps:
"We confirm that Skippy was enrolled here from year x to year y"
and send that.
As Dulciusexasperis will doubtless agree, aspiration and perspiration are more important than formal education.
"We confirm that Skippy was enrolled here from year x to year y"
and send that.
As Dulciusexasperis will doubtless agree, aspiration and perspiration are more important than formal education.
Mar 13th 2014, 5:38 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
My husband works in the food distribution business. His company will not hire anyone without a high school diploma. It does not matter if an applicant has 20 years or more truck driving experience with stellar references they will not accept the application. The result is that the company now have lots of drivers with high school diplomas but zero work ethic. The irony is that on a Friday before a long weekend when half of drivers book off sick they have to call in "rent a driver" and education doesn't matter then. Older experienced drivers who never graduated high school are shut out.
Mar 13th 2014, 5:57 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Jeez, christmasoompa, which part of "I completed secondary education," don't you understand?
In Canada that means graduated. So in a letter from the school they would expect to read, 'J. Brown graduated in 19xx from this school'. Or, 'J. Brown completed year 4' or some such statement. Not just, 'J. Brown attended this school till age 16.'
All this nonsense when all Slippy has to do is pick up the phone (Skype), call the company and ask to speak to someone in HR or Personnel.
If I were the person trying to get the job, I could make the call and have the answer in the next 10 minutes probably. There is no need to be making a meal out of it like this.
In Canada that means graduated. So in a letter from the school they would expect to read, 'J. Brown graduated in 19xx from this school'. Or, 'J. Brown completed year 4' or some such statement. Not just, 'J. Brown attended this school till age 16.'
All this nonsense when all Slippy has to do is pick up the phone (Skype), call the company and ask to speak to someone in HR or Personnel.
If I were the person trying to get the job, I could make the call and have the answer in the next 10 minutes probably. There is no need to be making a meal out of it like this.
There is no such concept as "graduating" high school in the UK. Graduating is what you do when you complete an undergraduate course of study and are awarded a degree. Schools do not award degrees. A letter confirming attendance up to the minimum leaving age is all that a school could be expected to provide; if proof of academic attainment is needed then an exam board is more likely to be able to help. In the UK, completing secondary education does not equate to having attained any formal qualifications at all.
I must say, you do come across as quite remarkably snotty on here sometimes. Occasionally, it's possible that reality may differ from your perception of it.
Mar 13th 2014, 6:18 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
It seems you haven't read my PM to you about your posting style. Please do so, and adjust your tone - there is absolutely no need to be so rude and aggressive to anybody.
Mar 13th 2014, 11:24 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Colchar, you're right. Provided the person has a College or University Diploma, showing either would normally make the High School Diploma irrrelevant.
But we don't know if the person has such a diploma. You can take some college or university courses without ever graduating in anything. Canbritdenise has not provided enough information for anyone to give any kind of definitive response to what her friend encountered.
It's very easy to present what seems to be a simple scenario and leave out one or more pieces of relevant information knowingly or unknowingly. Canbritdenise has not said that her friend presented a College or University Diploma.
But we don't know if the person has such a diploma. You can take some college or university courses without ever graduating in anything. Canbritdenise has not provided enough information for anyone to give any kind of definitive response to what her friend encountered.
It's very easy to present what seems to be a simple scenario and leave out one or more pieces of relevant information knowingly or unknowingly. Canbritdenise has not said that her friend presented a College or University Diploma.
Mar 14th 2014, 7:37 am
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
She has a collage diploma for sure as she went on to work in the police force. Not sure about uni, will have to ask her if she graduated. Think the town that she was applying in, couldnt see past the fact that she hadnt a grade 12 diploma. They had offered the position, before they then checked. she already works for the town but in a different department.
CO .. Can you really go to Uni in the UK without A levels now?
Mar 14th 2014, 7:42 am
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Think you always could! My husband went to Uni without A levels 20 yrs ago (he did a Btec instead), and a friend that left school with just GCSE's has just started at Reading Uni after doing an access course (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acces...gher_Education)
Mar 14th 2014, 7:58 am
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Think you always could! My husband went to Uni without A levels 20 yrs ago (he did a Btec instead), and a friend that left school with just GCSE's has just started at Reading Uni after doing an access course (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acces...gher_Education)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busin...cation_Council
Bit like the guys that did HNDs at Poly or "have no degrees"
Then stayed another 3 years to get a degree.
Mar 14th 2014, 11:54 am
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Aah .. So you get the equivalent of As then carry on.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busin...cation_Council
Bit like the guys that did HNDs at Poly or "have no degrees"
Then stayed another 3 years to get a degree.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busin...cation_Council
Bit like the guys that did HNDs at Poly or "have no degrees"
Then stayed another 3 years to get a degree.
Mar 14th 2014, 12:18 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
my point was, the Town that is offering the job, dont know what to do with overseas qualifications.
whether you have further education or not, they still like to see A little piece of paper saying you have completed grade 12.
Mar 14th 2014, 2:44 pm
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Re: Company asking for "proof of completion of secondary school"
Here's the thing people. This is CANADA. What they do in the UK is irrelevant. It is what the Canadian employer asks for that matters, not what you have or don't have in the UK.
Very often, lower level jobs will have a 'High School Diploma' requirement. Without it, as thistlehollyberry says, an employer won't even accept an application.
In Canada, probably 90% plus do not leave school before age 18. Being asked for a High School Diploma is no big deal, most have one. Again, what is the norm in the UK is irrelevant.
Those that don't have one because they left school early are called 'drop-outs'. It is a derogatory term and indicates that they are uneducated to a degree. It carries a negative social stigma in many people's minds.
So Oakvillian, I understand Slippy's issue (it is not a dilemma) and I have provided a way forward. Phone the employer, speak to HR, ask if they will accept his application without a HS Diploma which he CANNOT provide.
Canbritdenise has painted the picture very clearly when talking about her friend:
"my point was, the Town that is offering the job, dont know what to do with overseas qualifications.
whether you have further education or not, they still like to see A little piece of paper saying you have completed grade 12."
That's the crux of the matter. They are the ones hiring, they say what they will accept. '9 O levels and 3 A levels, what's that? Do you have a High School Diploma, yes or no?' 'If it's no, we will not accept your application'.
But that does not mean you cannot phone and say, 'I don't have a Canadian High School Diploma. I finished High School in Scotland (don't mention age) but they dont' issue Diplomas, you just finish and leave. I have 8 years of fuel truck experience and my employer will give me a reference saying I am a good worker, etc. Will you accept my application?'
Slippy will get a 'yes' or a 'no'. I can tell you that if he phoned me and we had the conversation, I would probably know just by how he spoke, his choice of vocabulary, his ability to communicate his issue clearly to me, etc. whether I wanted to accept his application or not.
Which brings us to the final reality. The employer can choose to accept any application with or without any qualifications OR they can choose to USE 'required' as an excuse to not accept an application.
I'm still waiting for Slippy to respond and say he phoned the employer and ASKED if they would take his application. Or just throw his hands up in the air and give up. In either case there would be an end to it.
Very often, lower level jobs will have a 'High School Diploma' requirement. Without it, as thistlehollyberry says, an employer won't even accept an application.
In Canada, probably 90% plus do not leave school before age 18. Being asked for a High School Diploma is no big deal, most have one. Again, what is the norm in the UK is irrelevant.
Those that don't have one because they left school early are called 'drop-outs'. It is a derogatory term and indicates that they are uneducated to a degree. It carries a negative social stigma in many people's minds.
So Oakvillian, I understand Slippy's issue (it is not a dilemma) and I have provided a way forward. Phone the employer, speak to HR, ask if they will accept his application without a HS Diploma which he CANNOT provide.
Canbritdenise has painted the picture very clearly when talking about her friend:
"my point was, the Town that is offering the job, dont know what to do with overseas qualifications.
whether you have further education or not, they still like to see A little piece of paper saying you have completed grade 12."
That's the crux of the matter. They are the ones hiring, they say what they will accept. '9 O levels and 3 A levels, what's that? Do you have a High School Diploma, yes or no?' 'If it's no, we will not accept your application'.
But that does not mean you cannot phone and say, 'I don't have a Canadian High School Diploma. I finished High School in Scotland (don't mention age) but they dont' issue Diplomas, you just finish and leave. I have 8 years of fuel truck experience and my employer will give me a reference saying I am a good worker, etc. Will you accept my application?'
Slippy will get a 'yes' or a 'no'. I can tell you that if he phoned me and we had the conversation, I would probably know just by how he spoke, his choice of vocabulary, his ability to communicate his issue clearly to me, etc. whether I wanted to accept his application or not.
Which brings us to the final reality. The employer can choose to accept any application with or without any qualifications OR they can choose to USE 'required' as an excuse to not accept an application.
I'm still waiting for Slippy to respond and say he phoned the employer and ASKED if they would take his application. Or just throw his hands up in the air and give up. In either case there would be an end to it.
Last edited by Dulciusexasperis; Mar 14th 2014 at 2:54 pm.