Changes to TWP programme
 

:thumbup:

The Feds are changing the rules. Now the employer will have to produce a plan for hiring canadian workers to replace the TWPs in the long run.

Good.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...s-changes.html

Well this was always going to happen because they intended for it to happen, i.e. stop people coming in as SW1 and instead have them come in on work permits and then get PR status through sponsorship of the employer. So everyone and their mother got work permits ("faster to process" being the mantra) and now all of this has happened.

And now they won't be fast to process anymore and it will be harder to use, etc. Companies like Sunwing are obviously buggered by these changes.

If you turn the screws on in one area, people switch to a different method, it's obvious. And now if they turn the screws on the work permit programme, people will use a different method - called working illegally, I suspect, which is what happened in the US.

I keep wondering what will happen to the housing market, especially in Toronto and Vancouver.

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How's that going to work then? If the TWP is issued because the Canadian employer can't find a Canadian to do the job, what "plan" could the employer propose? Train more Canadians? Fine, so long at the Universities offer more places to doctor, engineer, etc. students.

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Does the system need "fixing"? What's the problem?

The TWP system suits me just fine.

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As a HGV driver new to the country, it would appear that a large proportion of the canadian population have no desire to do the job and would rather sit in a warm office all week with their feet up. All good and well till the supermarket and shop shelves start to empty and what happens then - you cant force people to do a job they dont want to do and thats where we come in - there are places all around the city I live in advertising for class 1 drivers and nobody is taking the jobs so how are they gonna stop this happening ??

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Perhaps they should pay more ?

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Ding. We have a winner.

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Is $70k a year not enough for some people, I'm sure it beats minimum wage ?

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yup.

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I'm sure it does Jings :p

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I think you're confusing TWP with TFW. That's what they're changing.

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You obviously have a different opinion. Why?

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Am I?

:blink:

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oh yeah, you're right.

Still, good.

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I am against because:

1. abuse of TFW (substandard housing, etc)
2. drives down wages/working conditions at the bottom
3. TFWs have very few rights working here.

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When the Harperists introduced TFW that's exactly what they wanted.

The RBC case and other similar ones have exposed their perfidy and now they have to back down.

Incompetent a-holes.

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Watch the Immigration forum now implode.
So Accelerated LMOs now suspended.
A potential fee for applying for an LMO.
Increase to the work permit fee which has been stuck at $150 for years.
"What we're trying to do is put more financial pressure on employers to look to and hire Canadians first," Kenney said at a news conference.

The total number of temporary foreign workers has doubled in the last decade, to 338,189 workers.

So it looks like Canadians 1st where applicable then foreign workers.

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Hadn't that always been the case until Harper & Kenny redefined TFW?

Previously the program was designed to accommodate seasonal migrant farm workers and the like. But they changed it to allow companies to lay off Canadians and outsource their jobs to TFW's employed by subcontractors at depressed wages.

They've been caught.

Remember the F-35 at all?

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It's been fantastic for business but shitastic for the workers :thumbdown:

Been following it on CBC. In talkback construction workers have been calling saying how unethical companies are using TFWs to undercut wages and safety on building sites, forcing ethical companies out of business. I don't doubt it.

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Pardon my ignorance but whats the difference?

They both sound remarkably similar

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I agree, except one goes "T W P" and the other has an "F" in the middle.

Buggered if I know.

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TWP: Temporary Work Permit
TFW: Temporary Foreign Worker (Someone with an active Temporary Work Permit in Canada)

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So theyre essentially the same thing.......?

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One is the document, the other is the person effected.

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Oh, so I was right then.

And so was Novo.

:thumbup:

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So, how are you going to get Canadians to fill the positions if they are none about to fill them? Are you advocating for unemployed in, say, New Brunswick to have to relocate to where the work and the employer is in, say, Calgary?

Would you rather wait to see a doctor or be seen by one on a TWP?

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When does this come into effect or has it already?

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No, no, no and no. ;)

A TWP is what you get if an employer wants to hire you and can't find a Canadian to do the job. If that is correctly documented (by the employer) they are issued a quaintly named document called a Labour Market Opinion (LMO). With the LMO in place the employee gets a TWP and gets on with it.

A TFW (Temporary Foreign Worker) used to be a seasonal farm worker from e.g. Mexico or Colombia or Peru who could be hired by farmers as casual help at harvest time or whatever.

Harper & Kenny changed the definition of TFW to include anything where there was a labour shortage and allows companies to pay these poor saps 15% less than a Canadian.

As you might expect this resulted in Canadians not being able to get unskilled jobs because they would cost 15% more than a furriner who has no rights.

What has happened is that the nutjob Conservatives have been caught out ****ing over Canadians and they've had to back down.

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Wow, I had no idea about that. Thanks for the clarification!

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Ahhh finally made sense of this thread (and the whinging which sounds odd for an outside). Thankyou NOVOCASTRIAN!

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Novo is mainly right but me being a pedant see it this way

TWP = Is the actual work permit that is issued to an individual at a port of entry or applied for at an overseas CIC office. Its is issued by CBSA officers on payment of $150 if applying at a POE or payment has been received by the CIC office overseas. It is normally stapled into your passport.

TFW = Temporary Foreign Worker. I noted last night that a lot of political commentators were using it in the seasonal agriculture stream. Canada imports seasonal farm workers to pick the fruit and vegetables as no self respecting Canadian wants one of these jobs.

Not all jobs require a Labour Market Opinion however this area is the one that is gathering most attention.
To confuse things even more you have NAFTA and GATS professionals.
Intra Company Transferees, Provincial Nominee Applicants, Youth Exchange Workers, Exchange Professors, Spouses of Skilled Workers and Students etc etc. All of these people need work permits but don't require LMOs.

So how does a company manage to hire 27 Mexican workers being paid $16 an hour to cut grass and tidy up gardens? BTW the official title for that is classed as a Landscape Gardener.

Unfortunately you cannot force a Canadian to work and many do not want these jobs so in turn they hire foreign workers.
Admittedly not all the jobs vacant can be filled by qualified Canadians hence bringing in these foreign workers. Where are all the Trades Schools and Apprentice type facilities? Oh yeah some got shut down as they thought plumbers, electricians and carpenters etc etc would not be needed then boom the Oil Sands were found. So now they are looking for experienced workers. They are not willing to hire any recent graduate from a trade school.

So its a big problem with no easy solutions.

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I'm here on a TWP, no LMO needed, under an Intra-company Transfer... does that mean I'm now a hate-figure, like Canada's equivalent of a Daily Mail 'single mum on benefits with a council house?'

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Only if you came in under the specialized knowledge category and had a lawyer do up the package and write it in a way that a normal person cannot understand (CBSA Officer) :lol:

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I did. :rofl:

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The other thing is what if you have a job that a Canadian does not want or can not fill because of lack of experience/training etc.

I understand some companies have been fiddling the books so to speak, but surely these measures will put off responsible employers and will hinder geninue skilled foreign workers.

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Yes

According to some callers on am640 this morning you is taking the bread away from poor Canadian children :@(

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My LMO papers are due to be submitted in the next week. Does this affect those? do I need to get them to change anything or use different paperwork?

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If the changes to the FSW visa stream are anythign to go by, then this wont be in force until December 2015 :rofl:

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I shall have to take care in wording this response so as not to offend certain posters or groups who then in turn will accuse me of being racist or xenophobic.
The average unemployment rate in Canada is approx 7.2%. There are certain parts of canada where the rate is much higher and in some extreme cases is over 50%.
We keep hearing of a skilled and even unskilled labour shortage in Canada.
We have many people who can no longer claim EI and rely on social assistance programmes.
Are there jobs available then the answer is Yes both skilled and non skilled.
So what jobs are available to a person who lives say in Sydney NS or lives on a reserve? Do they have skills and if not what programmes are available to them and at what cost. Should they be expected to leave home and seek a job in Calgary?
If they have just graduated from a post secondary institution say as a plumber but have no experience who is willing to hire them.
Remember the old saying how do I get experience if I don't have a job and how do I get a job if I dont have experience?
Is a 50 yr old expected now to enter into a programme to learn how to become a plumber and if on completion who might be willing to hire them.
How about all of those refugees who have come from certain countries and cannot speak English or French and have very little education and work skills. How do they integrate?
You cannot force someone to move or even actually work.
How about our own Canadian students in between terms what prospects do they have. Between the UK and Ireland alone this year there will be over 11,000 IEC applicants looking for work on work permits.
So its not an easy solution for any Govt to deal with.

Re: Changes to TWP programme
 

No. (Unless it's an accelerated LMO).

It (the changes to the TFW) was announced yesterday with immediate effect.