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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by The Escapea
It is the IT equivalent of being a Chartered Engineer, Chartered Scientist etc., so a CITP has chartered status. Are you a member of the British Computer Society? They are the body who award such a chartered status: "BCS chartered status, which will be available to those who can meet strict entry criteria - a true gold standard; it will recognise a broad range of academic qualifications with industry experience also taken into account. The Society believes it will quickly be viewed as a benchmark by which to identify highly skilled and well qualified IT practitioners." It has only been possible to get Chartered status since 2004, which may be why you haven't heard of it.
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by Tangram
So such things as Software Testing Practioners standard ?
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by The Escapea
Not if you are talking about the methodology. If you were referring to something like the ISEB practitioner certification for software testing then that would, in part, contribute to Chartered Status, as would other qualifications such as Prince2, ITIL Service Management etc. First of all you have to qualify as a member of the BCS, then (if you have at least 10 years IT experience) you can apply for CITP status, which takes into account your experience and qualifications.
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by Tangram
Then I guess its just a case of paying the subs to the BCS....then call me Mr Chartered ;)
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by The Escapea
I'd (as a CITP, and knowing how long it took to actually get it) like to think that there's little bit more involved... ;)
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by Tangram
Depends on your experience in It as you say. I was partly being sarcy, partly toungue in cheek. Never a great fan of quals and certificates just for the sake of it. Previously I have attained CIB and CIIS quals....never needed them or impressed anyone unfortunately.
I find the problem with BCS sponsored qualifications to be that no one who is not in the BCS has ever heard of them. |
Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by dbd33
I find the problem with BCS sponsored qualifications to be that no one who is not in the BCS has ever heard of them.
As for it just being a case of paying subs to the BCS to get chartered status, yep - that's all you need to do. Just like you just need to pay subs to RICS to become a Chartered Surveyor, ICAEW to become a Chartered Accountant etc...! ;) |
Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by The Escapea
The Chartered qual is not 'sponsored' by BCS, but is awarded by them - so the chartered element is recognised just like any other chartered profession, be it Chartered Accountant, Surveyor etc.
As for it just being a case of paying subs to the BCS to get chartered status, yep - that's all you need to do. Just like you just need to pay subs to RICS to become a Chartered Surveyor, ICAEW to become a Chartered Accountant etc...! ;) |
Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by dbd33
Computing's not a profession though. It's a job involving some of a large number of ephemeral skills which is not unionised. A chartered, what, chartered programmer, chartered computer person, whatever, would be like a chartered TV repairman. To non-members of the BCS, that is the public at large, people outside the UK, and other computer people within the UK, it'd just mean the person does something with computers or TVs and thinks highly of him or her self.
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by Tangram
Agreed. All the many companies I have worked for don't bother with quals. It's the experience on various platforms, systems and code languages which seems to count more from my experience.
Limits the opportunities considerably. |
Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by flashman
Good point. Some are experts on a specific harware or software product or manufacturer. Like having an auto mechanic who can only fix Fords ot an aero mechanic who can only fix Boeings.
Limits the opportunities considerably. |
Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by dbd33
I find the problem with BCS sponsored qualifications to be that no one who is not in the BCS has ever heard of them.
They are involved in such things as ECDL (European Computer Driving Licence) etc ..... all in all, a total waste of time. |
Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by okipop
:zzz: I've been living in NZ for 5 years and I can say that your comments are realistic. On top of technological and cultural deficiencies they also lack quite a bit in terms of human rights and race relations. Not to mention employment laws and regulations (they have just introduced the obligation of written individual working contracts), bullying and bad treatment for people of other nations. So when you said 15 years behind you were actually nice...
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by dbd33
All computer people are valuable only for their knowledge of specific technologies. Computer people are not interchangable so, if a firm wants, for example, someone with recent experience of programming in PLAN on an ICL System 4 they won't take an IBM Autocoder expert no matter how much he knows about 1401 machines.
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Re: Canada v Australia
Originally Posted by smurtaza
Please note that Canada's judicial system is still way behind to that of Australia.
Why direct this at me ? What has it to do with the latest and greatest in punched card based computers ? |
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