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dboy Dec 27th 2009 11:37 am

Re: Brit in Regina
 

Originally Posted by Japonica (Post 8199950)
No worries. Not like I had a Red River sash for an avatar...;);)

Yeah, there's no funding for most types of schooling unless it's some Metis Nation specific training...like "how to use computers" or "basic business skills" etc. These are usually agreements with the provincial government...

At least I didn't have to worry though if I'd get to finish my studies. My status friends (my best uni buddy was a Mikmaq from NS) usually had their cases reviewed year to year and when the band didn't have adequate funds to pay for all their students who were enrolled, some inevitably lost their support for that year and had to quit school. There wasn't a guarantee that just because you started a band-funded degree that you'd be able to finish it.

I'm a RCMP member and when status cops investigate on native land, they don't pay income tax for the hours they spent on the reserve. I always thought it was odd and more than a little unfair.

Butch Cassidy Dec 27th 2009 4:42 pm

Re: Brit in Regina
 

Originally Posted by Japonica (Post 8198627)
Just splitting hairs, but the Metis are recognized as one of Canada's three Aboriginal peoples. Yes, they obviously have European ancestry, but I wouldn't consider them as having an immigrant background in the same regard as the European settlers...

Correct me if I'm wrong BUT isnt it true that you can be classed as Metis whilst only being one 16th 'native'? Wouldnt this leave you as 15/16 'immigrant'?

Japonica Dec 27th 2009 9:29 pm

Re: Brit in Regina
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8200304)
Correct me if I'm wrong BUT isnt it true that you can be classed as Metis whilst only being one 16th 'native'? Wouldnt this leave you as 15/16 'immigrant'?

I've never heard of that. And in a characteristic Canadian fashion, it depends upon your definition of "Metis."

If you're talking about "Metis," with the big "M" as in Red River descent, it has nothing whatsoever to do with blood quantum levels. Membership in the MNA (and I assume the other provincial organizations) is based on genealogy. Ie. you have to prove direct lineage to someone who is of old North West Metis stock. So, that could be scrip records (the various commissions), church records (several Manitoba parishes were almost exclusively Metis parishes in the 19th century), any old government records...I submitted, among other documents, my father's and grandmother's birth certificates that listed them as "Halfbreed." I also had scrip records for my great-grandfather and great-great grandmother as well.

Blood quantum is useless in most regards to determine culture, heritage, and status. My status Mikmaq friend has a non-Native (Euro-Canadian) father. Yet, as a Metis, my ancestors exclusively married other Metis for the past 5 generations, and my Metis great-grandfather married a full Assiniboine woman. Same with my grandmother's parents...her father was Metis but her mother was full Saulteaux. So, who is more "Native" in terms of blood quantum levels? The one with a "full" Native parent and completely European one or the one with generations of halves, three quarters, and full Native ancestors intermarrying? Blood quantum just doesn't work.

Now, there are other organizations who fall under the umbrella of "the other metis" who grant membership to Native persons of mixed heritage and non-status Indians. I don't know what their membership criteria is. I believe they have a much more flexible membership entry than the Metis National Council groups who restrict their membership to only those who can trace their ancestry back to the Metis of the old North West (there's some Atlantic Canada groups and others who call themselves "metis" but the MNC refuses to see them as such). These other organizations probably use self-identification and some form of connection to an Aboriginal group. But I don't believe they'd use blood quantum levels either as a membership requirement.

Hope that helps...clear as mud, hey? The arguments over who qualifies as "Metis" have been going on for decades and with the recent hunting court cases in Ontario and on the prairies, I don't see it ending anytime soon.

Butch Cassidy Dec 28th 2009 3:46 am

Re: Brit in Regina
 

Originally Posted by Japonica (Post 8200584)
I've never heard of that. And in a characteristic Canadian fashion, it depends upon your definition of "Metis."

If you're talking about "Metis," with the big "M" as in Red River descent, it has nothing whatsoever to do with blood quantum levels. Membership in the MNA (and I assume the other provincial organizations) is based on genealogy. Ie. you have to prove direct lineage to someone who is of old North West Metis stock. So, that could be scrip records (the various commissions), church records (several Manitoba parishes were almost exclusively Metis parishes in the 19th century), any old government records...I submitted, among other documents, my father's and grandmother's birth certificates that listed them as "Halfbreed." I also had scrip records for my great-grandfather and great-great grandmother as well.

Blood quantum is useless in most regards to determine culture, heritage, and status. My status Mikmaq friend has a non-Native (Euro-Canadian) father. Yet, as a Metis, my ancestors exclusively married other Metis for the past 5 generations, and my Metis great-grandfather married a full Assiniboine woman. Same with my grandmother's parents...her father was Metis but her mother was full Saulteaux. So, who is more "Native" in terms of blood quantum levels? The one with a "full" Native parent and completely European one or the one with generations of halves, three quarters, and full Native ancestors intermarrying? Blood quantum just doesn't work.

Now, there are other organizations who fall under the umbrella of "the other metis" who grant membership to Native persons of mixed heritage and non-status Indians. I don't know what their membership criteria is. I believe they have a much more flexible membership entry than the Metis National Council groups who restrict their membership to only those who can trace their ancestry back to the Metis of the old North West (there's some Atlantic Canada groups and others who call themselves "metis" but the MNC refuses to see them as such). These other organizations probably use self-identification and some form of connection to an Aboriginal group. But I don't believe they'd use blood quantum levels either as a membership requirement.

Hope that helps...clear as mud, hey? The arguments over who qualifies as "Metis" have been going on for decades and with the recent hunting court cases in Ontario and on the prairies, I don't see it ending anytime soon.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:Thanks, and actually MUCH clearer.


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