Arrival testing mandated again
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The airports have a good point about take home swab kits… I was on one of the first flights earlier this year when they first tested at the airport on arrival, it was an absolute disaster. People crammed in a small space, and those who hadn’t booked ahead were getting theirs completed before those who had done what they were told by registering before arriving.
it’s beginning to sound like omicron is more infectious so cramming people in these spaces is for certain no longer viable, if they’re serious about these travel restrictions they need to allow take home swab kits.
it’s beginning to sound like omicron is more infectious so cramming people in these spaces is for certain no longer viable, if they’re serious about these travel restrictions they need to allow take home swab kits.
I don't see any more of a risk of contracting covid in the airport then I do on the plane which is not distanced.
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I prefer to take the test at the airport, especially if required to isolate, as that should mean the swab reaches the lab earlier, which means I get my negative result earlier and I am out of this ridiculous self isolation.
I don't see any more of a risk of contracting covid in the airport then I do on the plane which is not distanced.
I don't see any more of a risk of contracting covid in the airport then I do on the plane which is not distanced.
Regarding an airplane, I'd suggest you're way more secure, they way air is filtered on a plane, plus the air is very dry.
What would concern me more, is how often airport staff is actually tested? They could potentially infect us travellers as well.
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If Fauci is correct and Omocron is not worse than Delta than maybe this kind of testing procedure won't be required and this may be earlier than we can expect?
Regarding an airplane, I'd suggest you're way more secure, they way air is filtered on a plane, plus the air is very dry.
What would concern me more, is how often airport staff is actually tested? They could potentially infect us travellers as well.
Regarding an airplane, I'd suggest you're way more secure, they way air is filtered on a plane, plus the air is very dry.
What would concern me more, is how often airport staff is actually tested? They could potentially infect us travellers as well.
I'm not really concerned about being infected. If I was, i'd probably be less willing to travel abroad.
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The government website has been update, it's not mandatory for all arrivals yet, will be random selection for now, aiming for 100% in the coming weeks
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/tr...ng-into-canada
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/tr...ng-into-canada
In effect: There are new requirements for all fully vaccinated travellers who have been in any country other than Canada and the United States in the 14 days prior to entry to Canada. Fully vaccinated travellers who are selected for arrival testing must quarantine in a suitable place until they receive a negative test result. The Government of Canada is increasing the number of fully vaccinated travellers being selected for testing to reach 100% of vaccinated travellers in the coming weeks.
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I'm going to refrain from travelling this holiday season due to these restrictions but I am hoping they are lifted by Jan. 31, 2022 as it says in the news release...at least the requirement to self-isolate. I'd like to go away in Feb and would rather not self isolate on my return.
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You are dreaming when it comes to the Canadian government. Of course they will put in more useless measures, it's just what they do. And, we voted these clowns in again anyway, what else did we expect?
I'm not really concerned about being infected. If I was, i'd probably be less willing to travel abroad.
I'm not really concerned about being infected. If I was, i'd probably be less willing to travel abroad.
However, what seems to be off ( for now at least ) is the mandatory hotel quarantine and the price to pay for that one.
As far as I am aware, one can still enter Canada, at say Montreal, and fly onwards to Winnipeg on the same day, provided you have an address you can stay for the next 14 days to potentially home isolate / quarantine in.
I'm going to refrain from travelling this holiday season due to these restrictions but I am hoping they are lifted by Jan. 31, 2022 as it says in the news release...at least the requirement to self-isolate. I'd like to go away in Feb and would rather not self isolate on my return.
Incidentally the 14 day quarantine was also a requirement prior to, like if the tests were positive prior to departure, irrespective of vaccination status or not. The Arrive Can App would be a "quarantine exemption to be granted for the negative tested and vaccinated traveller".
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I've noted that government regulations are actually way worse than catching the virus. These clowns are going mad over omicron is totally disproportionate, especially considering that this virus will dominate everywhere in the world, no matter what restrictions they bring in.
However, what seems to be off ( for now at least ) is the mandatory hotel quarantine and the price to pay for that one.
As far as I am aware, one can still enter Canada, at say Montreal, and fly onwards to Winnipeg on the same day, provided you have an address you can stay for the next 14 days to potentially home isolate / quarantine in.
In the worst case scenario, they will introduce hotel quarantine from Jan 31st 2022 and onwards. Ford is capable of that at any stage, - it's not his decision though, but I am certain, he'd be one of the first to go to Ottawa to push for some federal mandate for that one. Remember "Ford is seeing too many airplanes at Pearson".
Incidentally the 14 day quarantine was also a requirement prior to, like if the tests were positive prior to departure, irrespective of vaccination status or not. The Arrive Can App would be a "quarantine exemption to be granted for the negative tested and vaccinated traveller".
However, what seems to be off ( for now at least ) is the mandatory hotel quarantine and the price to pay for that one.
As far as I am aware, one can still enter Canada, at say Montreal, and fly onwards to Winnipeg on the same day, provided you have an address you can stay for the next 14 days to potentially home isolate / quarantine in.
In the worst case scenario, they will introduce hotel quarantine from Jan 31st 2022 and onwards. Ford is capable of that at any stage, - it's not his decision though, but I am certain, he'd be one of the first to go to Ottawa to push for some federal mandate for that one. Remember "Ford is seeing too many airplanes at Pearson".
Incidentally the 14 day quarantine was also a requirement prior to, like if the tests were positive prior to departure, irrespective of vaccination status or not. The Arrive Can App would be a "quarantine exemption to be granted for the negative tested and vaccinated traveller".
It will be scrapped by 1/31 as the bad press is already coming out from people stuck in there.
Go to this lady's FB profile it will detail what is happening in these horrible DQF. https://www.facebook.com/tgaura
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I highly doubt they will re-introduce hotel quarantine for fully vaccinated travelers traveling from places other then Africa.
It will be scrapped by 1/31 as the bad press is already coming out from people stuck in there.
Go to this lady's FB profile it will detail what is happening in these horrible DQF. https://www.facebook.com/tgaura
It will be scrapped by 1/31 as the bad press is already coming out from people stuck in there.
Go to this lady's FB profile it will detail what is happening in these horrible DQF. https://www.facebook.com/tgaura
With all that idiocy about quarantine or home isolation the Canadian government should rather focus on defining "fully vaccinated" as 3 times vaccinated for those whose 2nd vaccination is 3 or 4 months past, - it's the only answer to omicron, and that irrespective if you're travelling, where you're from, which colour of skin, or visiting a restaurant or how many are in that restaurant.
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Looks like we're expecting another set of ridiculous travel restrictions.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...ions-1.6285823
The main question is are we going to go back to that overpriced mandatory hotel quarantine? Or the 14 day home isolation? Regardless of vaccine status or not, - makes one wonder, why one gotten vaccinated in the first place.....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...ions-1.6285823
The main question is are we going to go back to that overpriced mandatory hotel quarantine? Or the 14 day home isolation? Regardless of vaccine status or not, - makes one wonder, why one gotten vaccinated in the first place.....
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Looks like we're expecting another set of ridiculous travel restrictions.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...ions-1.6285823
The main question is are we going to go back to that overpriced mandatory hotel quarantine? Or the 14 day home isolation? Regardless of vaccine status or not, - makes one wonder, why one gotten vaccinated in the first place.....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...ions-1.6285823
The main question is are we going to go back to that overpriced mandatory hotel quarantine? Or the 14 day home isolation? Regardless of vaccine status or not, - makes one wonder, why one gotten vaccinated in the first place.....
I've always had doubts about the vaccine and the fact that it is blatantly not working against this variant and numbers are getting to be just as bad as they were pre-vaccine is proving my suspicions correct.
Here we go to almost two full years of uncertainty regarding international travel. Wonder if this will ever end or if the dream of, say, backpacking Europe, or going on a multi-country trip or cruise will just be a part of history, and people will not travel as much anymore unless to see family or other non-discretionary/ "important" reasons.
Would be a shame.
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What do you define as "not working"? I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the vaccine would not stop you getting covid, but that the effects of of it would be less than if you were not vaccinated. In addition it also would not stop you from spreading it.
We shall have to see what changes occur. I suspect the the exemption for trips ≤ 72 hours not requiring a negative test will be dropped. That is a shame as I popped down to Buffalo over the weekend for the first time since March last year, and was planning on going back down for Christmas, so that may not happen. I'd also quite like to pop back to England and see my family in person, something that I have not done for nearly three years. I'm not about to try and find some sneaky workaround to avoid any rules that are put into place, so it'll just mean waiting a bit longer.
We shall have to see what changes occur. I suspect the the exemption for trips ≤ 72 hours not requiring a negative test will be dropped. That is a shame as I popped down to Buffalo over the weekend for the first time since March last year, and was planning on going back down for Christmas, so that may not happen. I'd also quite like to pop back to England and see my family in person, something that I have not done for nearly three years. I'm not about to try and find some sneaky workaround to avoid any rules that are put into place, so it'll just mean waiting a bit longer.
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What do you define as "not working"? I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the vaccine would not stop you getting covid, but that the effects of of it would be less than if you were not vaccinated. In addition it also would not stop you from spreading it.
We shall have to see what changes occur. I suspect the the exemption for trips ≤ 72 hours not requiring a negative test will be dropped. That is a shame as I popped down to Buffalo over the weekend for the first time since March last year, and was planning on going back down for Christmas, so that may not happen. I'd also quite like to pop back to England and see my family in person, something that I have not done for nearly three years. I'm not about to try and find some sneaky workaround to avoid any rules that are put into place, so it'll just mean waiting a bit longer.
We shall have to see what changes occur. I suspect the the exemption for trips ≤ 72 hours not requiring a negative test will be dropped. That is a shame as I popped down to Buffalo over the weekend for the first time since March last year, and was planning on going back down for Christmas, so that may not happen. I'd also quite like to pop back to England and see my family in person, something that I have not done for nearly three years. I'm not about to try and find some sneaky workaround to avoid any rules that are put into place, so it'll just mean waiting a bit longer.
I agree - I never believed the vaccine would end the pandemic. But, that is what the politicians promised in order to coerce people into getting it.
It is indeed preventing hospitalization and death, which means that according to the science there is no reason to implement any more restrictions, yet here we are implementing more restrictions. It makes no sense.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...cron-1.6286656
0.14% positivity rate returning vaccinated travellers. 0.63% for unvaccinated. Yet we are still putting "all options on the table" when considering the return of hotel quarantine, home quarantine, and travel restrictions.
Omicron is already pretty much the dominant strain, which means it will continue to spread regardless of travel restrictions, yet travelers are once again going to be the scapegoat.
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Changes look like just re-implementing an "advisory" against travel. Which really means nothing, except maybe in a week they will re-implement real restrictions and then say "We told you not to travel" 
My travel insurance is now in effect regardless of government travel warnings due to covid.

My travel insurance is now in effect regardless of government travel warnings due to covid.
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Yep. The only reason I got vaccinated was to travel so I will feel pretty cheated if quarantine is back.
I've always had doubts about the vaccine and the fact that it is blatantly not working against this variant and numbers are getting to be just as bad as they were pre-vaccine is proving my suspicions correct.
Here we go to almost two full years of uncertainty regarding international travel. Wonder if this will ever end or if the dream of, say, backpacking Europe, or going on a multi-country trip or cruise will just be a part of history, and people will not travel as much anymore unless to see family or other non-discretionary/ "important" reasons.
Would be a shame.
I've always had doubts about the vaccine and the fact that it is blatantly not working against this variant and numbers are getting to be just as bad as they were pre-vaccine is proving my suspicions correct.
Here we go to almost two full years of uncertainty regarding international travel. Wonder if this will ever end or if the dream of, say, backpacking Europe, or going on a multi-country trip or cruise will just be a part of history, and people will not travel as much anymore unless to see family or other non-discretionary/ "important" reasons.
Would be a shame.
As for the virus the farthest we've been in the two years is 200km, like many older we haven't been out much, avoiding risk and or the unvaccinated so it's pretty annoying to read that you only got vaccinated for blatantly selfish reasons
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The dream of travel should be ended or at least altered. Tourism accounts for 8% of global greenhouse gas emissions ( carbonbrief.org) so we shouldn't be gallivanting around.
As for the virus the farthest we've been in the two years is 200km, like many older we haven't been out much, avoiding risk and or the unvaccinated so it's pretty annoying to read that you only got vaccinated for blatantly selfish reasons
As for the virus the farthest we've been in the two years is 200km, like many older we haven't been out much, avoiding risk and or the unvaccinated so it's pretty annoying to read that you only got vaccinated for blatantly selfish reasons
(which it isnt.)Greenhouse gas is the gov'ts problem. We can have electric planes, maybe that will help just like electric cars.



