I wonder if this has more to do with early morning light from the East window illuminating the Matins service, and the evening light coming through the West window at Vespers. It would be a bit crappy to have a North-South aligned church with all the light struggling through the smaller windows of the aisles and transepts.

That and facing the rising sun, a nod to Pagan religions perhaps?

Ah, yes, that too. Never ones to pass up the opportunity to appropriate a Pagan tradition, those early Christians!

LOL, OK Rich.

"You're illustrating an ignorance about Kamloops. In the sticks? Hardly, I was still in city limits. Downtown was under 20 minutes away."

I don't mean this in any derogatory way but you are illustrating an ignorance about Canada. Anywhere outside a major city is 'in the sticks'. Kamloops is 'in the sticks' to a Vancouverite for example and anywhere west of the Humber River is 'in the sticks' to a Torontonian. That includes Vancouver. The only place Kamloops is not in the sticks from is from within Kamloops.

Middle class is nearly impossible to define. It's something that most people define themselves as being and obviously some of them must be wrong. The only thing you can get agreement on is 'rich'. That's the people earning in the top 1%. Here's an interesting article on middle class in which someone earning $120k doesn't feel it's enough to maintain a middle class lifestyle. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle15515586/

Personally, I only see two classes. Working class and rich. Trying to differentiate within working class really doesn't mean much. Here's one way to define middle class: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/pu...dex-march-2013

Dbd33, yes, the suburbs elected him. That's where the working class live. That's who suburbs are built to house.

Yeah RICH - Read it and weep! You only live there.....

Just think - nine posts a day now and rising. Just think what El Dulci could achieve with ten!

You spend your time checking on how many times a day someone posts rivington? Fascinating information.

I count each and every post for every contributor on the forum then divide it by the number of days they've been a member (tricky with leap years etc for some of the veterans). It's what keeps me sane......

It's almost a calling.

I'm afraid I beg to differ. I had a house in Leslieville, a two up two down terrace, it would have been instantly famililar to any British coal miner. It had, in fact, been built for an employee of the railroad, all the terrace was. The neighbourhood was built for people who worked in factories and brickyards, real working class jobs now largely ceded to China. At the same time I had a house one in Lorne Park, a classic North American suburb; ranch houses, long well groomed lawns, garages, swimming pools. It had been built for a banker or similar, the neighbours were business owners, lawyers, other exploiters of the working man (as, indeed, am I). Suburbs were once places of privilege, older ones still are. There aren't a great number of car mechanics living in the better part of Oakville.

Regardless of housing types, Ford represents greed and ignorance, he's Steven Harper with better hair. These are not qualities of the working class but of the aspirational middle class, the salesmen, not the tram drivers.

And, on another point, the middle class is that mass of people who do not work with their hands, do not draw benefit and are not members of the upper class. "Rich" is just middle class with a bigger house. Conrad Black is, I suppose, at the pinnacle of Canadian society, he's rich, he's a social climber, but he can never be a member of the upper class. Colonial parvenu is the best status open to him.

That statistic is available in one of the profile thingies; do you work it out and update everyone's profile each day?

Someone has to do it...

Your definition of 'in the sticks' has no relevance to me, or the context of your original assumptions concerning class attitudes towards finances.

You say middle class is nearly impossible to define, yet you've tried to define people you don't know in neighbourhoods you don't know on several occasions. Class seems to be quite important to you. You've created sub classes of middle class, then subsequently stated middle class doesn't exist in your mind. You seem quite confused.