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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 2:14 pm
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Originally Posted by renth
I had to wait until A level history before I discovered that it wasn't the Nazis who invented the concentration camp. We're not always the good guys like you see portrayed on the telly. And as for what we did to the Irish well that was as bad as Stalin.
To be fair, the camps that the UK created were a misguided attempt to 'help' and control a civilian population that was being hammered by war. With all the Boer men away fighting, their women and children were at the mercy of marauding tribesmen and some terrible attacks happened. You need to remember that this was basically frontier country. Also, Britain conducted scorched earth policies in order to deny the Boers supplies and to try and break their will

The army proved incapable of managing these camps and there were no other organisations around to run them either - this was a time before the UN and Red Cross. Hence the outcome that happened

The Afrikaners later exploited these camps for their own political ends but the reality was quite different
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishcelts
Wrong. It's the English that are no.1.
Let me just knock that chip off your shoulder...

In fact, IIRC it's the US or Israel, can't remember which one, lots of people not keen on either of those two countries.
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by GarryP
Let me just knock that chip off your shoulder...

In fact, IIRC it's the US or Israel, can't remember which one, lots of people not keen on either of those two countries.
Don't be a twat.
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu

I know it's virtually impossible for you but please try and check your facts before you mouth off on here
That's never stopped you has it?

So who are you descended from.....were your family British?
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
That's never stopped you has it?

So who are you descended from.....were your family British?
Not that it matters but:
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 6:12 pm
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No, that is Nazi propaganda originally from Dr. Goebbels, the Nazi Propaganda Minister.

Concentration camps were used before the Second Anglo Boer war. One example is Cuba 1896, four years before their use by the British in South Africa. The Spanish named them ''reconcentrados'' (reconcentrating place).

The Spanish camps killed far more people than the British camps; the Havana camp alone killed 50,000 people, nearly twice as many victims as the 28,000 Boer deaths that concern us so much today. It is estimated the Spanish camps killed 100,000 - 300,000 people in total. This was known as The Cuban Holocaust.

Commentators prefer to concentrate on the British use of camps in 1900, while overlooking the US camps of the same year in the Phillipines, Spanish camps in 1896 in Cuba, or the German camps of 1905 in Deutsche-Suid West Afrika.

Boer Nationalists insist on calling the British camps 'death camps' even though legitimate historians all make it clear the purpose of the British camps was not annihilation but merely detention, unlike the German camps of 1905, or the Nazi konzentrationslagers of the Holocaust.

The Spanish camps imprisoned civilians, and it is pretty clear from
the description of the Spanish camps given by Senator Redfield Proctor in his speech "Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898" that the Spanish camps are concentration camps. Barbed wire, guard towers, sentries, neglected civilian inmates, centralisation around rail junctions, and massive mortality due to disease and starvation being typical features of concentration camps. Proctor's description is recorded in Clara Barton's book 'The Red Cross' Barton was a founder of The Red Cross.
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 6:42 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishcelts
Wrong. It's the English that are no.1.
You keep thinking that if it makes you better
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by chris955
You keep thinking that if it makes you better
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Not that it matters but:
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You didn't give the answer Grayling was looking for.
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 7:04 pm
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You didn't give the answer Grayling was looking for.
probably but that's what it is!
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 7:22 pm
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You didn't give the answer Grayling was looking for.
Which was?
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 9:12 pm
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but predictably
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Old Jan 22nd 2014, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Another pom living in the past but knowing little of their country's history

Ballys beat me to it but if you knew anything about history, you would know that that war was between the British empire and 2 Boer republics (plus allies - including many Irish) in Southern Africa. There was no country called South Africa - Britain created it in 1910

I know it's virtually impossible for you but please try and check your facts before you mouth off on here
Must agree,The Boers were excellent/brave fighters,it's a very interesting part of history
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Originally Posted by renth
Nice one Ballys (I do actually know the difference but I know most don't!)
I guested as much,posted it as i thought it was witty.

Also I am sure all Bogtrotters are acutely aware of the difference
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