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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by commonwealth
(Post 10887878)
Septic
You're American? S |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10887324)
How come ghosts always appear as old fashioned people? Nobody ever gets haunted by flannel wearing rockers or shoe-gazing indie kids from the 90s...
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
I'm a septic too.
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 10887151)
what happened?
A lot of interconnected thinking that, the more I tie things together, the more this holistic view of how life is in reality (and what is real anyway) seems to make more sense than the more conceptual/physical views of the world. It would appear that the whole of human suffering can be put down to seperation, where, in fact, our natural state is wholeness and being one. We are not in the world, we ARE the world (singing). Self improvement is not necessary. There is nothing to be pursued, no ideal target state to be achieved. We are all perfect as we stand. What you resist persists and we need to let go of illusion of us (ego) being in control, relax into reality as it stands, accept everything and be guided by life rather than attempting to avoid pain and persue pleasure. Or it's cheese-related. Knob gags to follow. |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10888020)
You're American?
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 10887805)
:eek:
R U a white witch Polly? |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Nice thread. I'm generally a sceptic but I even wonder if one day in decades the Standard model of Physics tells us that time travel and n dimensions allows crazy stuff to happen...after all, modern computers would have amazed people 200 years ago.
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 10886995)
OK: here's one that I cannot explain - but, like UFOs, that doesn't in any way imply there HAS to be a supernatural explanation.
A few months after we arrived in Oz we were doing the usual frantic round of open houses: this one was in Eleanora Heights on the Northern Beaches. It was a solidly built, stone, house with pool, servants' quarters dating from the early 1900s. Mrs Wol (who is just as much a sceptic as I) told me as we left that she was unable to spend any time in the scullery area: she sensed a nastiness, associated with a very strange smell. She just couldn't stay there. I certainly hadn't noticed anything at all. We revisited the place some time later, and discovered that it was built for a Sydney "Sausage King" (Made his fortune from them) whose maid had disappeared in"unusual" circumstances. Some time later we were talking to an agent - who was nothing to do with this house, or us, and mentioned the experience. He immediately knew which place we were referring to, and expressed surprise that the exorcism that had apparently been called on it hadn't worked. Later still the house's agent admitted that there had been "issues" with some peoples' experiences in the house before. Now, neither of us had been told, or heard about anything like this prior to talking to the agent. I suppose we might have heard something subliminally but I don't think so. So there you are: that's first hand, not something you hear third or fourth hand. I can't explain it, but I'd still be willing to bet that there's a completely logical explanation somewhere. I don't mind people who are interested inthe paranormal - but if they cling to it or use it as a support mechanism then it's perhaps unfortunate. I think it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, people often don't seem to realise that their own input, or the input of others into their lives have effected them. People become victims, and then need a crutch. What I do believe in is the dynamics of groups, and behaviour etc. It's interesting on BE, when a group of people are unhappy and then it can be very 'catching'.
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 10886898)
It's quite sad that after years of education (should that be "education" in quotes?) so many people are willing to be taken in by crystals, waving of hands, homeopathy and the like. But a quick glance at any bookshop will show you yards of shelf space filled with books by quacks, deluded, fraudsters and the misinformed.
It's ironic that almost all the people taken in by quackery will happily buy and use their iPads, mobiles, TVs etc - all of which only came about because of the use of the scientific method - yet will equally happily ignore all evidence that shows their beliefs are misplaced. It's called cognitive dissonance, I think.:rolleyes: I think some spiritual guidance /need (sense of worth) is important. For some of us, that's just being with friends and family and feeling that we count somewhere. I think some people need that crutch more than others - we all have an amount of spirutual well being, some of us are well stocked, others have little. My wife, who sees some of the merit in spirituality often says I don't need religion, I am already all the way there - what she means is that I don't need a crutch - I just do it naturally lol. I don't have a problem with Christian types too, unless they are evangelical - but even those are at least enthusiastic (why do something so important and not be enthusiastic!) and find it a pity that so people automatically label religion as a bad thing - when some aspects of religious teaching is in fact on the money, and it brings happiness to so many people. A critic will say you don't have to be religious or spiritual to act in 'Christian' ways, of course, but let's face it, we all push the bounds of 'good'. eg I am a complete opportunistic *** at times. |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by DeadVim
(Post 10888184)
There has been no 'big event', nothing bad/good has happened, just a series of trains of thought that have led me to researching around the whole spirituality/awareness/ego thing.
A lot of interconnected thinking that, the more I tie things together, the more this holistic view of how life is in reality (and what is real anyway) seems to make more sense than the more conceptual/physical views of the world. It would appear that the whole of human suffering can be put down to seperation, where, in fact, our natural state is wholeness and being one. We are not in the world, we ARE the world (singing). Self improvement is not necessary. There is nothing to be pursued, no ideal target state to be achieved. We are all perfect as we stand. What you resist persists and we need to let go of illusion of us (ego) being in control, relax into reality as it stands, accept everything and be guided by life rather than attempting to avoid pain and persue pleasure. Or it's cheese-related. Knob gags to follow. :D |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 10888191)
Probably not the way a C of E vicar's daughter is supposed to turn out, but yes, I'm a follower of the Wiccan path :o
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by DeadVim
(Post 10888184)
There has been no 'big event', nothing bad/good has happened, just a series of trains of thought that have led me to researching around the whole spirituality/awareness/ego thing.
A lot of interconnected thinking that, the more I tie things together, the more this holistic view of how life is in reality (and what is real anyway) seems to make more sense than the more conceptual/physical views of the world. It would appear that the whole of human suffering can be put down to seperation, where, in fact, our natural state is wholeness and being one. We are not in the world, we ARE the world (singing). Self improvement is not necessary. There is nothing to be pursued, no ideal target state to be achieved. We are all perfect as we stand. What you resist persists and we need to let go of illusion of us (ego) being in control, relax into reality as it stands, accept everything and be guided by life rather than attempting to avoid pain and persue pleasure. Or it's cheese-related. Knob gags to follow. Must be all those festival days ;) |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
(Post 10888226)
Better to be a WW than the CoE I reckon mate:thumbsup:
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
isn't believing in a higher power the basis of all religions anyway? anyone on here says the term 'God botherers' again and I'll not do anything at all about it cos none of you are brilliant enough to live within bothered distance of me. Have a great weekend everyone:)
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Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
When we announced we were going to emigrate the wife's sister scribbled a crude map on the back of an old envelope and put a blob on it to signify where we were headed. She knew nothing about Australia but the general outline was pretty good and her "helpers" had pinpointed the place through her.
I took the piss somewhat as we were destined for Pittong in the Ballarat region of VIC and her "helpers" had placed us the other end of the country in North QLD. Her sister is a clairvoyant and does newspaper pieces, radio and tv shows. The MIL and the wife are also receptive to spiritualist things. As the months passed the sponsor changed our likely destination to Kalamunda over in Perth but it all went belly up. Another sponsor came in within a week and we ended up in Cairns.....exactly where she had put the blob on the map! I'm a sceptic though. |
Re: Are you a sceptic or a believer?
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 10888276)
You've ****ing lost the plot.
Must be all those festival days ;) |
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