old.sparkles

Would it be fair to say that most men are not terrorists but most terrorists are men?

Amazulu

Yes. It would be fair to say that in both cases

old.sparkles

So if the religion needs to take more action and responsibility for its failings, what are men going to do? What action are you going to take? How are you taking responsibility for your failings?

Beoz

We men don't have male leadership that can influence the male failings. Instead we have men who are feminists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_and_feminism

But its a good point ...... perhaps we men need a minority movement coupled with a leader or leaders.

Either way, it does sound like another topic distraction.

Amazulu

Stop burying your head in the sand with nonsense comparisons

Islam, not religion in general, is the problem of our time and needs to take responsibility for its failings. Anything else is leftie smoke and mirrors

Beoz

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/15/women-suicide-bombers-on-the-rise-dont-have-much-use-for-72-virgins-heres-what-they-get-instead/

Maybe but maybe not for much longer.

old.sparkles

I didn't say religion in general, I said the religion which since we were going with the assumption that currently most terrorists seem to be Muslims would be a reference to that religion. But if we taker a wider look at history, religion would be a very common theme so perhaps religion in general is the issue. I do believe that it is the most divisive and destructive thing man ever created (and by man, in this case I mean humans).

But to get back to Muslims - the majority would be decent people, they do condemn the extremists. The actions of terrorists do make them question their religion.

old.sparkles

So maybe the same would be true for terrorists - currently the majority of terrorists appear to be Muslims, but for how much longer.

And it is not that long ago that the majority of terrorists were Christians. Did you call for that religion to take responsibility for its failings? Some terrorists are currently Christians, so should you also be calling for all Christians to question their religion?

Perhaps, all religion is to blame so maybe we should be calling for all religion to be banned?

Beoz

Before we progress, can you clarify which previous and current christian terrorists you are referring to?

old.sparkles

I was thinking of the troubles in Ireland but also things like some of the groups in Africa that make the news sometimes. Then there are isolated groups in America that make the news occassionally. Not sure of all the names but definitely Christian groups.

Beoz

A lot of historical examples there. There is also the Balkans War's and some Christian land grabbing wars in India among others. You could even throw Nazi Germany into that list as well. But what about today? Something that needs to be dealt with now. Not something that has previously occurred.

Do all these examples really do what they do they do in the name of Christianity? Did they run with the mantra "kill the non believers"? Are they localized issues rather than global? Did the local terrorists buy into an ideology created elsewhere and turn a foreign threat into a local one. Have Christians ever created a global club designed to inflict mass destruction on those who don't share the same beliefs?

There's some pretty distinct differences between what's happening now with Islam and what happened in time gone by with Christianity. But to answer your question, if there is a distinct lack of leadership in any religion that causes the violent death of the innocent, of course the leaders need to step up and be accountable.

old.sparkles

Good arguments but still not sure that the answer to todays terrorists are to blame all Muslims. I think that Muslims are also suffering at the hands of some of these terrorists as they are the wrong type of Muslim. I think that in many cases, local leaders have stepped up but I don't think the moderate leaders are the same branch of Islam. I think that just as Christianity has many groups so does Islam and unfortunately those extremist branches are the ones involved in terrorism.

I think history will show that Christians have in the past created a global club (Crusades?) but not my strong point. I think that todays reliance on technology has made it easier for these new terror groups to grow and to groom - especially when you look at where they are recruiting - UK, USA, AUS. So I think that rather than blaming a religion, we need to look at how they are able to persuade young males (and in some cases, young females) that there only option is this route.

Beoz

I never blamed all Muslims. Where on earth did you dream that up? Please don't head down the path of others and state things you want to believe rather than what was said.

That said, one does need to ask the question on how Salah Abdeslam was hidden and protected by his own Muslim community for 4 months. Do his protectors believe in his actions, see him as a martyr? Are they being brought to justice?

The big question here is where were the leadership in this local Islamic community? How come so many local Islamic leaders have not prevented the exodus of youth to Syria? Perhaps the leadership has become disjointed from their own youth? Perhaps the leadership has lost control of their own group? Are Islamic leaders teaching tolerance of the non believers?

Remember, these atrocities are occuring in the name of Islam. This is not medievil times. Might be time for the religion to modernise, to step up and take back control.

old.sparkles

Sorry, never meant to imply that you personally were blaming all Muslims, but a lot of people are.

Beoz

No problem. I personally know some awesome Muslim people and have some great Muslim mates. Its not the people, its the ideology and its lack of control.