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Old Mar 27th 2016, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by paulry
....Corbyn and Sanders?

Yes western hating, leftie loser muppet central with those two clowns

Cameron is not a very good PM as he is basically left-wing but he and Osborne are going to cruise the next election if Corbyn is opposition leader

As for Sanders, he should just stick to selling fired chicken
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Haven't you noticed? They are very interesting.

Both are supported by the mass popular vote, against the wishes of the management of their respected parties (who much prefer a lite-right position). Both stand for something, have authenticity, and both pre-date the Thatcher/Reagan slide that originally screwed things up and bought us to this position.

I get the feeling that they might be the vanguard of younger, and more future focused politicians who would sit in the true centre. I doubt either can get elected, but I think that might allow others to get there - which is kinda what we need.
I think you just laid your cards of support on the table then and there. No denying your allegiances now.

Gotta love the all lying lefties.
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Yet another failure to spell multiculturalism in the thread title and apparently it is BrusselLs sprouts that I have detested since childhood when my parents tried to feed me plentLy of them.

The religion is not the problem, it is the interpretation of it by the thugs and lunatics (the guys responsible have a history of offences to do with guns, burglary and car jacking). Blaming the religion is not logical as the overwhelmingly vast majority of its followers are not thugs and lunatics.

A few points for discussion - Donald Trump makes millions from Muslim countries using Muslim employees which seems to make him a bit of a hypocrite (or hipocrite as some would have it). He also asked Alec Salmond to get rid of the offshore wind turbines off the coast of his new golf development in Aberdeenshire (but makes millions from investments in .... wind turbines). Donald Trump makes millions in Muslim countries - Dec. 8, 2015

You cannot 'undo' multiculturalism. Just before we left Melbourne they had a multicultural festival in Footscray which tens of thousands attended and enjoyed. One right wing lunatic plastered ethnic businesses in Footscray with swastikas before the event. Do we get rid of all right wingers on this basis?
Seriously? Yes I did spell multiculturalism wrong, but you do realise that we cannot edit thread titles? Anyway, policing spelling on here is pathetically pathetic - this is an internet forum, not an MBA economics assignment

Islam is a problem of our day, but the left are denying this as it doesn't fit in with their attempts of re-engineering western society into something they can control. More fool them

Multiculturalism has failed spectacularly in many western countries - particularly in Europe. Many immigrant groups have assimilated and integrated but that's through their own choice. They were not required to. Large parts of islam have not - hence we have Molenbeek, London bombings, Madrid, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan etc

Whether the left like it or not, things are going to change - and they are going to head right. Ideally, we should be at the centre but socialism has shown that it is incapable of effective, inclusive (of host populations) government - and the right's going to have to sort it out

Worrying days for Europe - but essential

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Originally Posted by Beoz
I think you just laid your cards of support on the table then and there. No denying your allegiances now.
I get the feeling that they might be the vanguard of younger, and more future focused politicians who would sit in the true centre.
You mean what I have always said? Since when did I deny that?
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Ah the primary school teacher with his 8 degrees is back sprouting his wisdom. Oh academics - such a shame.

Well if you could read (oh the state if the Scottish primary school system must be in tatters) I did say that multi culturalism is not to blame and there's plenty of good cases of successful multi culture.

Its Islam and its ability to rein in the bad eggs globally and its repeated failure to create a leadership that can hold a consistent message globally. There's your problem and there's your source.

Trump is on another thread ... go nuts.
Secondary and tertiary actually, don't attempt denigration with the academic label either.

The OP says multiculturalism is at fault and you say Islam is at fault; I was addressing both of you actually.

Does Christianity 'rein in'? (e.g. child abuse in catholic and protestant faiths) No, they put the church above all else usually (e.g. Cardinal George Pell in Ballarat).
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Sorry, but that's bonkers. How on earth can we have anarchism (no government) alongside communism (total government)?
The terms left and right originated (in France) in the 18th century and refer to whether you sat on the left (for change) or right (not for change) of the monarch - whether you wanted 'revolution' or the status quo. This is how anarchism and communism and socialist sit 'to the left' as they are for changing the current system. This probably appears to be 'teaching granny to suck eggs' but you don't seem to have acquired 'grannydom' on left/right politics.

My outlook would be described as centrist (probably liberal with a small l) - it just appears to be 'left' to those sitting well to the right of the monarch as it were.
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Secondary and tertiary actually, don't attempt denigration with the academic label either.

The OP says multiculturalism is at fault and you say Islam is at fault; I was addressing both of you actually.

Does Christianity 'rein in'? (e.g. child abuse in catholic and protestant faiths) No, they put the church above all else usually (e.g. Cardinal George Pell in Ballarat).
So going back to what I said. Shall we ban all religion?

Again the lefties fail to look deep enough.

Child abuse in the catholic and protestant faiths is not done in the name of religion ..... blowing people up is done in the name of Islam. .... yet another floored argument by the lefties.

FWIW. I taught engineers in 3D design at universities in London for 2 years. Pays like crap. Never ever again. Nothing to be proud of my friend.
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Seriously? Yes I did spell multiculturalism wrong, but you do realise that we cannot edit thread titles? Anyway, policing spelling on here is pathetically pathetic - this is an internet forum, not an MBA economics assignment

Islam is a problem of our day, but the left are denying this as it doesn't fit in with their attempts of re-engineering western society into something they can control. More fool them

Multiculturalism has failed spectacularly in many western countries - particularly in Europe. Many immigrant groups have assimilated and integrated but that's through their own choice. They were not required to. Large parts of islam have not - hence we have Molenbeek, London bombings, Madrid, Charlie Hebdo, Bataclan etc

Whether the left like it or not, things are going to change - and they are going to head right. Ideally, we should be at the centre but socialism has shown that it is incapable of effective, inclusive (of host populations) government - and the right's going to have to sort it out

Worrying days for Europe - but essential
Europe had a few decent sized world wars between Christian nations in recent memory hasn't it.
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So going back to what I said. Shall we ban all religion?

Again the lefties fail to look deep enough.

Child abuse in the catholic and protestant faiths is not done in the name of religion ..... blowing people up is done in the name of Islam. .... yet another floored argument by the lefties.

FWIW. I taught engineers in 3D design at universities in London for 2 years. Pays like crap. Never ever again. Nothing to be proud of my friend.
I'm not a 'leftie' you just perceive it as that.

You ask Islam to 'rein in' some of it's followers; I asked whether Christianity does the same with its clerics/priests; 'in the name of' is irrelevant it is the reining in which hasn't been done by either religion (reiGning actually as in horses reigns and to think you called me uneducated more than once).

You think there are easy 'answers' to these major world problems?
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FWIW. I taught engineers in 3D design at universities in London for 2 years. Pays like crap. Never ever again. Nothing to be proud of my friend.
Therein lies your pecuniary outlook on a noble and very satisfying profession. What's in it for me, what's in for me? Thankfully not everyone thinks like yourself.

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WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THE MUSLIMS AND BLACK PEOPLE IN GLASGOW TODAY???

This is the worst day ever. I am currently hiding in an alleyway in Glasgow with no trousers and it’s all because of Muslims and black people.

It started at about 11 this morning, I'm just walking down the street on some Important White Guy Business (going to have coffee with a friend or whatever), when this random Muslim woman in one of those headscarf things comes up to me on George Square and asks me a garbled question. I didn't understand it at first so I had to ask her to repeat it, and she says, "What do you have to say about Dunblane?"

I thought she was trying to GET TO Dunblane, so I asked if she wanted me to look up directions on my phone, and she said, "No, IDIOT. What do you have to say about the Dunblane shootings?"

I was confused to say the least: "Dunblane? Uh... I have nothing to say about Dunblane." It was really weird, because she actually seemed pretty angry about something. Then she said, "Why not? Don't you think it was wrong?"

And I said, "Of course it was wrong, but that was 20 years ago, and, um, I wasn't really involved with it in any way. I was 14-years-old in 1996, I didn't even live in Scotland then!"

Crazy Muslim Lady then starts following me down the street screaming random place names at me:

"OKLAHOMA! UTOYA! OMAGH! PORT ARTHUR! COLUMBINE!” - and then other, completely random things - "'ABORTION CLINIC SHOOTINGS! THE LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY! APARTHEID! WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH! THE SREBRENICA MASSACRE! PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS!" - and I'm thinking, "What the heck is this? Is this a code? Is she having some kind of breakdown?"

I was actually getting a bit scared by this point (I’m a lover not a fighter, if you know what I mean), so I jumped on the first bus I saw, just to get away from her. I went to the back of the bus and saw her shouting and swearing at me as we drove away.

At the very next stop, some young Asian lads get on the bus, and they came and sat right in front of me. They seemed to be laughing at something, and then one of them just turned around, looked me right in the eye and asked me why 'my people' keep raping young girls.

“What do you mean?” I said, “I’m just a middle class white guy. I went to university, I’ve worked in the media - we’re good people! I’ve never raped anyone, and neither do ‘people like me’ rape people!”

(Couldn't believe I actually had to say that, it's so obvious!)

And the teenager replied, “****ing pedo. I know what your lot are like. Rolf Harris, Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith. Child abusers, the lot of you.”

“OK, whatever,” I said, thinking they’re just trying to wind me up. I moved to the front of the bus because I didn’t want any trouble, and then this old Sikh guy sitting there looks at me like I’ve broken wind, and he says, “They’re right you know, your holy book condones rape, even if you don’t.”

Now first of all, I don’t have a holy book. Sure, I’ve been christened and I celebrate Christmas, but I’m not what you’d call a Bible basher or anything. Nevertheless, I do know FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT that the Holy Bible would never condone rape (unlike some other holy books I could mention).

“If you mean the Bible, that’s nonsense. The Bible is a book full of wisdom and light,” I said, trying to be well-mannered even though I was getting angrier by the second with all these uninformed opinions coming at me. Old Sikh Guy looked sceptical, so I told him the only Bible quote I know off by heart - “Ever heard of ‘All things bright and beautiful, all creatures great and small, the Lord God made them all’? That's the message of the Bible.”

But that didn’t shut him up, not even a little bit!

“What about Oholibah in Ezekiel? ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will stir up your lovers against you… I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewellery. I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt.’ That’s your God arranging the rape and mutilation of a prostitute.”

I was pretty pissed off at this point. I didn’t even reply to his bullshit, I just jumped off at the next stop - and that’s when things went from Slightly Weird to full on Twilight Zone.

Standing at the next stop were a bunch of black teenagers, about thirteen or fourteen-years-old, completely butt-naked except for some kind of white patterns painted on their skin! They looked bloody freezing, so I asked what they were doing, standing at a bus stop with nothing on, on a freezing Glaswegian day.

“We’re Xhosas,” replied the tallest boy, “We’re on our way to a coming-of-age-ceremony. We go into the wilderness for a few days, and when we come back we will be men.”

“But why are you NAKED?!”

“It’s our tradition,” said the tall boy.

“Why are YOU wearing trousers?” said a smaller boy with FA Cup ears and a cheeky smirk.

I laughed, “Isn’t it pretty obvious? Everyone wears trousers. I’m wearing them for modesty. I don’t want to walk around just revealing every part of my body to every random person I meet.”

The boys thought this was pretty funny:

“Sounds oppressive to me,” the tall boy said.

“Yes,” said a chubby lad with a big shiver. “Sounds like you’ve been brainwashed by your society.”

“Nonsense,” I said, “Trousers are objectively right. Why isn’t she covering her breasts?” I said, pointing at the only girl in the group, whose boobs were out and covered in goose bumps.

“Why should she? Why should a woman cover her breasts, but men don’t have to cover up? Don’t you think that’s pretty sexist?”

“It’s a woman’s choice to cover her breasts,” I said.

“So I won’t get arrested for walking through Glasgow like this?” said the Xhosa girl, rolling her eyes.

“Well… You might,” I replied. “I mean… You are exposing yourself. It’s pretty disgusting seeing a young girl dressed like that to be honest.”

“You know what I think is disgusting?” said the tall boy, “Your society making you ashamed of your Ham in the Hood!”

That’s when the mood suddenly changed, and FA Cup Boy shouted, “Get his trousers!”

“Let’s liberate him!” said the chubby one.

“How can I trust him when I can’t see his penis?!” said the girl.

And they started trying to pull my trousers down! FOR REAL! I put up the best fight I could, but like I said, I’m a lover not a fighter, and with six or seven of them on me, I didn’t really stand a chance. They got the trousers off pretty quickly, and then my Thundercat boxers, and then they all just ran off down the road with the cheeky boy whooping and swinging my trousers around his head like a lasso! And then the tall boy had the cheek to shout back at me, “It’s for your own good! Don’t let anyone tell you what to wear!”

So here I am. I’ve managed to crawl into an alleyway and cover myself in bits of newspaper, but I really need someone to bring me some trousers so I can get home. Please, if you’re in Glasgow today with extra trousers, come and find me - SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!

Oh, that reminds me - when you see me in my naked state, please bear in mind that it is a very, very, very cold day.
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Originally Posted by OzTennis
I'm not a 'leftie' you just perceive it as that.

You ask Islam to 'rein in' some of it's followers; I asked whether Christianity does the same with its clerics/priests; 'in the name of' is irrelevant it is the reining in which hasn't been done by either religion (reiGning actually as in horses reigns and to think you called me uneducated more than once).

You think there are easy 'answers' to these major world problems?
Horses have reins - monarchs reign!
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Horses have reins - monarchs reign!
I stand corrected .
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What a steaming pile of denialist shite
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Therein lies your pecuniary outlook on a noble and very satisfying profession. What's in it for me, what's in for me? Thankfully not everyone thinks like yourself.
If you want to make your career a charity then that's your decision my friend.

If we all went to the left side of the fence and did that how could governments afford to provide you the basic services you use daily?

The majority of taxes come from the wealthy.
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