The world of automation
Sep 18th 2017, 7:26 am
#841
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Re: The world of automation
Stick 5kW of panels on every roof and that's going on for 50GW of generation (currently Australia has 6MW). Add in the commercial space, the warehouses, etc. and you can up that significantly. Add batteries to those and cut waste and you can essentially make much of the demand disappear from the grid. And then you get to the land that is essentially worthless and useless that could have concentrated solar on it (eg much of the middle of the country).
$1bn they are talking about using to build one coal line could be used to help put the distributed system in place to remove the need for the coal power stations. And with free power, everyone with such a system gets more money in their pocket.
One thing is certain, it's much more sensible to build such a system than a new coal power station, its much cheaper and more practical going forward.
That's why I say they need to actually have a plan for going forward, and why the backward nature of those politicians - in energy AND automation - is so damaging and destructive.
PS new nuclear is more expensive than new coal (significantly so) in lifetime cost terms, and thus more expensive than wind or solar. So it's a non-starter.
Sep 18th 2017, 7:30 am
#842
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Re: The world of automation
There is plenty of scope for both wind and solar in Australia - vast tracts of nothingness, and that's just suburbia.
Stick 5kW of panels on every roof and that's going on for 50GW of generation (currently Australia has 6MW). Add in the commercial space, the warehouses, etc. and you can up that significantly. Add batteries to those and cut waste and you can essentially make much of the demand disappear from the grid. And then you get to the land that is essentially worthless and useless that could have concentrated solar on it (eg much of the middle of the country).
$1bn they are talking about using to build one coal line could be used to help put the distributed system in place to remove the need for the coal power stations. And with free power, everyone with such a system gets more money in their pocket.
One thing is certain, it's much more sensible to build such a system than a new coal power station, its much cheaper and more practical going forward.
That's why I say they need to actually have a plan for going forward, and why the backward nature of those politicians - in energy AND automation - is so damaging and destructive.
PS new nuclear is more expensive than new coal (significantly so) in lifetime cost terms, and thus more expensive than wind or solar. So it's a non-starter.
Stick 5kW of panels on every roof and that's going on for 50GW of generation (currently Australia has 6MW). Add in the commercial space, the warehouses, etc. and you can up that significantly. Add batteries to those and cut waste and you can essentially make much of the demand disappear from the grid. And then you get to the land that is essentially worthless and useless that could have concentrated solar on it (eg much of the middle of the country).
$1bn they are talking about using to build one coal line could be used to help put the distributed system in place to remove the need for the coal power stations. And with free power, everyone with such a system gets more money in their pocket.
One thing is certain, it's much more sensible to build such a system than a new coal power station, its much cheaper and more practical going forward.
That's why I say they need to actually have a plan for going forward, and why the backward nature of those politicians - in energy AND automation - is so damaging and destructive.
PS new nuclear is more expensive than new coal (significantly so) in lifetime cost terms, and thus more expensive than wind or solar. So it's a non-starter.
Sep 18th 2017, 8:04 am
#844
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Re: The world of automation
Actually they are looking a concentrated solar thermal to take the heavy lifting of aluminium refining. Makes sense, why the hell would you use a high quality energy like electricity for smelting ore?
ARENA backs plan to use solar energy for alumina smelting : RenewEconomy
ARENA backs plan to use solar energy for alumina smelting : RenewEconomy
Sep 18th 2017, 8:26 am
#845
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Re: The world of automation
Ordinary people will be able to watch The Block and any other crap Channel 9 serves up whilst the driverless car picks young Tyrone up from Rugby League training.
Sep 18th 2017, 8:41 am
#846
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Re: The world of automation
More horseplop from you, in what world will an ordinary low paid worker be able to afford a driverless car? You should do a family tree, I'm betting Marie Antoinette is in there somewhere.
Sep 18th 2017, 8:50 am
#847
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Re: The world of automation
Actually they are looking a concentrated solar thermal to take the heavy lifting of aluminium refining. Makes sense, why the hell would you use a high quality energy like electricity for smelting ore?
ARENA backs plan to use solar energy for alumina smelting : RenewEconomy
ARENA backs plan to use solar energy for alumina smelting : RenewEconomy
Sep 18th 2017, 8:50 am
#848
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Re: The world of automation
The aim of the likes of Ford is the robotaxi - you order up a ride and it turns up, takes you were you want to go, and drops you off. Given that half the price of a taxi is in the driver, and then the fuel, there is a lot of scope for making the EV driverless option the cheapest option. And the motor company gets a guaranteed, regular, income stream (which is a good thing).
Sep 18th 2017, 8:53 am
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Re: The world of automation
The aim of the likes of Ford is the robotaxi - you order up a ride and it turns up, takes you were you want to go, and drops you off. Given that half the price of a taxi is in the driver, and then the fuel, there is a lot of scope for making the EV driverless option the cheapest option. And the motor company gets a guaranteed, regular, income stream (which is a good thing).
Sep 18th 2017, 8:58 am
#850
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Re: The world of automation
But that's how it works. Technology is supposed to get cheaper over time. In the 60's your 14" B&W TV was only for the wealthy. 50 years on the ordinary man has many +75 inches in the McMansion.
Lets say after all the red tape is sorted we sort our first driverless vehicle by 2040. By 2090 the driverless vehicle will be for all.
Sep 18th 2017, 9:05 am
#851
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Re: The world of automation
They can afford multiple +75" TV's.
But that's how it works. Technology is supposed to get cheaper over time. In the 60's your 14" B&W TV was only for the wealthy. 50 years on the ordinary man has many +75 inches in the McMansion.
Lets say after all the red tape is sorted we sort our first driverless vehicle by 2040. By 2090 the driverless vehicle will be for all.
But that's how it works. Technology is supposed to get cheaper over time. In the 60's your 14" B&W TV was only for the wealthy. 50 years on the ordinary man has many +75 inches in the McMansion.
Lets say after all the red tape is sorted we sort our first driverless vehicle by 2040. By 2090 the driverless vehicle will be for all.
Sep 18th 2017, 9:27 am
#853
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Re: The world of automation
Tyrone would not be a taxi driver in the first place. Those jobs gradually, over time, at a gentle pace, went away and the youth like Tyrone never went into that industry.
A bit like the blacksmith, or the letter sorter. It was only the old blokes left doing them in the end, then they retired or died.
Instead Tyrone, like the 98% of 18 year olds went off to do tertiary education. In the case of Tyrone, he wasn't much chop with maths or english so he became a plumber. Everyone needs to shit and shower and robot hasn't quite figured how to navigate a 1 x 3 retro fit ensuite.
A bit like the blacksmith, or the letter sorter. It was only the old blokes left doing them in the end, then they retired or died.
Instead Tyrone, like the 98% of 18 year olds went off to do tertiary education. In the case of Tyrone, he wasn't much chop with maths or english so he became a plumber. Everyone needs to shit and shower and robot hasn't quite figured how to navigate a 1 x 3 retro fit ensuite.
Sep 18th 2017, 10:21 am
#855
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Re: The world of automation
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