Originally Posted by geo4

Great article:

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?c...50&source=srch

I printed this out and hand it out to people who ask why I want to move to Canada.

Originally Posted by jon&kate

Last week the mrs noticed the bin men throwing a black bag of rubbish in our garden and also saw them throw something as they walked off.By the time she got downstairs they had gone.When she went outside on top of the bag was a big carving knife that the bin men had slung on top of the bag.When she went to pick the bag up it was full of knives ranging fron normal table ones to bloody great carving ones also the bag was split so she rebagged it.She phoned the council to have a row because we live on a main road and the kids walk to school past our house so she didnt want the kids getting hold of them.The council said they would pick them up that day but rather than leave them in full view the mrs told them it would be left at the side of our house.No one picked them up so agian phoned council back and they said they must be left on the street(thats handy for any passing kids) to which wife told them there are 2 schools nearby so best if the council picks up from side of the house.Anyway a week later they still not been collected so called the local police station and they said we are not interested even when the wife told them that knife crime is getting a joke the copper said not intersted so again called the council who have told her as she rebagged them its her problem to get rid.I said at the start i would sling them in the back of the car and take to the dump as left to the council nothing would get done.Can you imagine if we had left a bag of knives on the street and someone got stabbed.

Originally Posted by jon&kate

We will be in OZ before they even do anything about it !!!!!.Just makes me sick that knife crime is a real problem yet they are not bothered that they are dumped on the street.And as for the copper well i guess to busy processing speeding fines to be bothered to take any notice.

Originally Posted by Grayling

What a load of Bollocks.

Originally Posted by Urno

I thought he raised some valid points that concern a lot of people in the UK, and were the motivating factor for disgruntled ex-pats:

• He took us into a war based on a lie about WMD which makes this country a bigger target for terrorism - Correct
  
• Bogus asylum asylum seekers and illegal immigrants understandably saw this country as a soft touch under his leadership and cost the taxpayer £billions. - Been the case for a long time, but not helped by ineffectual TB govt
  
• Taxes have risen across the board to pay for the above and - can't comment on that
  
• other futile policies like the convoluted tax credit scheme which is prone to countless errors and fraud - Totally agree, have personal experience of this
  
• the onset of id cards - Agree, total waste of money
  
• house packs, and - Disagree, i think HIPS are good, but typically mismanaged
  
• training nurses and doctors where there are no job vacancies - I don't know enough about this, but before i left the UK there were demo's from lots of disgruntled nurses
  
• Despite extra investment in the NHS it is as inefficient as ever as health authorities have overspent and aren’t recruiting as well as GPs being paid more to do less under the last contracts. - Broadly agree, although that's just my general feeling, don't know enough. NHS is clearly in trouble.
  
• He introduced a Human Rights Act which gives more freedom for asylum seekers,criminals and immigrants. - Hmm, shaky ground here. Human Rights are a good thing!
  
• More foreigners are gaining jobs than indigenous British citizens as this country becomes swamped. 700,000 new jobs have been in the non wealth-producing public sector at taxpayers expense. - Admittedly this does sound Daily Mailesque, but on the other hand, the govt's crass estimation of how EU enlargement would affect the UK was embarrassing
  
• Council tax is soaring over and above inflation, Crime is up as prisons are unable to take in new inmates due to Labour’s incompetence. - Nothing too bollocksy here IMO
  
• Teenage pregnancies are also up. - Dunno about this
  
• Homosexuals have extra rights as the age of gay consent is reduced from 18-16 and they are allowed to adopt kids. - Very dodgy ground here!
  
• Roads are gridlocked and public transport is a joke. - Correct
  
• Education is a bigger joke with prizes for all and young people urged to go to university (and get in debt) although there aren’t enough graduate jobs in the economy to satisfy demand. - I agree with this.

On the whole, i think this post is not "Bollocks" and i for one would appreciate a more reasoned response. Very badly formatted, but not total bollocks!

Originally Posted by northernbird

I think what Grayling meant to say was 'if you think moving to another country means you can escape some of these issues then you will be disappointed'

Originally Posted by Urno

That would indeed be a shame. It took me ages to rant, er, write that.

Originally Posted by jon&kate

Last week the mrs noticed the bin men throwing a black bag of rubbish in our garden and also saw them throw something as they walked off.By the time she got downstairs they had gone.When she went outside on top of the bag was a big carving knife that the bin men had slung on top of the bag.When she went to pick the bag up it was full of knives ranging fron normal table ones to bloody great carving ones also the bag was split so she rebagged it.She phoned the council to have a row because we live on a main road and the kids walk to school past our house so she didnt want the kids getting hold of them.The council said they would pick them up that day but rather than leave them in full view the mrs told them it would be left at the side of our house.No one picked them up so agian phoned council back and they said they must be left on the street(thats handy for any passing kids) to which wife told them there are 2 schools nearby so best if the council picks up from side of the house.Anyway a week later they still not been collected so called the local police station and they said we are not interested even when the wife told them that knife crime is getting a joke the copper said not intersted so again called the council who have told her as she rebagged them its her problem to get rid.I said at the start i would sling them in the back of the car and take to the dump as left to the council nothing would get done.Can you imagine if we had left a bag of knives on the street and someone got stabbed.

Originally Posted by Sooty and Sweep

The UK is changing, i am not saying any more or any less than other countries, but my only thought is with the UK, as it is where i live.

Some things to think about, and this takes me back to when i was young the similarities between now and the late 70's are very very similar?

Labour are coming to an end as a political party which is really trusted. You just cannot believe anything they say anymore. Not that i would put any more trust in the Conservatives, but Labour are in power and Brown is a power hungry loner who does not listen to anyone?

The rich are getting richer, the poor poorer, when we as a nation feel poor, it is because of rising costs, real inflation, and the lack of jobs, unemployment.

As we become fed up with all the lies from the government, we take to mind numbing substances more, we drink more, we try to escape to another place. So we are being told we drink too much, well what a surprise?

The young cannot get jobs, cannot afford a car, cannot afford anything, no future, told to stay on at school, get a load of debt, get a degree, to get a minimum paid wage job etc etc.

This is not an excuse, but the public as a whole start to commit more crime, public mis-behaviour becomes something that we see rise, so we need more police on the streets, this costs, so we pay more in tax, we get poorer.

The whole family breakdown starts, the stress and strain on mum and dad is intense, no work, just about afford the basics, dad drinks too much, mum is tired. Society makes the needy and unemployed feel not too good.

The next thing is all the unemployment is blamed on the fact that the goverment have let too many people in the country, they have taken all our jobs. This is where we are at now.

The feel good factor has gone, rising costs, rising unemployment, rising cost of servicing debt, stagnant wages, stagnant house prices.


Brown really does have some work to do if he is to secure another term in office here in the UK.

Because where i am standing, i do not think the British public feel too well off at the moment, and the young kids leaving school just do not stand a chance?

Originally Posted by Assegai

Are you for real?

Anthony Blair was by far the worst PM ever, (although Gordon Brown is equally culpable).

He took us into a war based on a lie about WMD which makes this country a bigger target for terrorism. Bogus asylum asylum seekers and illegal immigrants understandably saw this country as a soft touch under his leadership and cost the taxpayer £billions. Taxes have risen across the board to pay for the above and other futile policies like the convoluted tax credit scheme which is prone to countless errors and fraud, the onset of id cards, house packs, and training nurses and doctors where there are no job vacancies. Despite extra investment in the NHS it is as inefficient as ever as health authorities have overspent and aren’t recruiting as well as GPs being paid more to do less under the last contracts. He introduced a Human Rights Act which gives more freedom for asylum seekers,criminals and immigrants. More foreigners are gaining jobs than indigenous British citizens as this country becomes swamped. 700,000 new jobs have been in the non wealth-producing public sector at taxpayers expense. Council tax is soaring over and above inflation, Crime is up as prisons are unable to take in new inmates due to Labour’s incompetence. Teenage pregnancies are also up. Homosexuals have extra rights as the age of gay consent is reduced from 18-16 and they are allowed to adopt kids. Roads are gridlocked and public transport is a joke. Education is a bigger joke with prizes for all and young people urged to go to university (and get in debt) although there aren’t enough graduate jobs in the economy to satisfy demand.

Originally Posted by jon&kate

Last week the mrs noticed the bin men throwing a black bag of rubbish in our garden and also saw them throw something as they walked off.By the time she got downstairs they had gone.When she went outside on top of the bag was a big carving knife that the bin men had slung on top of the bag.When she went to pick the bag up it was full of knives ranging fron normal table ones to bloody great carving ones also the bag was split so she rebagged it.She phoned the council to have a row because we live on a main road and the kids walk to school past our house so she didnt want the kids getting hold of them.The council said they would pick them up that day but rather than leave them in full view the mrs told them it would be left at the side of our house.No one picked them up so agian phoned council back and they said they must be left on the street(thats handy for any passing kids) to which wife told them there are 2 schools nearby so best if the council picks up from side of the house.Anyway a week later they still not been collected so called the local police station and they said we are not interested even when the wife told them that knife crime is getting a joke the copper said not intersted so again called the council who have told her as she rebagged them its her problem to get rid.I said at the start i would sling them in the back of the car and take to the dump as left to the council nothing would get done.Can you imagine if we had left a bag of knives on the street and someone got stabbed.

Originally Posted by Vim Fuego

My OH was telling me about a gun fight up the road just before I arrived.

Sunny though

Originally Posted by northernbird

I think what Grayling meant to say was 'if you think moving to another country means you can escape some of these issues then you will be disappointed'

Originally Posted by Assegai

Are you for real?

Anthony Blair was by far the worst PM ever, (although Gordon Brown is equally culpable).

He took us into a war based on a lie about WMD which makes this country a bigger target for terrorism. Bogus asylum asylum seekers and illegal immigrants understandably saw this country as a soft touch under his leadership and cost the taxpayer £billions. Taxes have risen across the board to pay for the above and other futile policies like the convoluted tax credit scheme which is prone to countless errors and fraud, the onset of id cards, house packs, and training nurses and doctors where there are no job vacancies. Despite extra investment in the NHS it is as inefficient as ever as health authorities have overspent and aren’t recruiting as well as GPs being paid more to do less under the last contracts. He introduced a Human Rights Act which gives more freedom for asylum seekers,criminals and immigrants. More foreigners are gaining jobs than indigenous British citizens as this country becomes swamped. 700,000 new jobs have been in the non wealth-producing public sector at taxpayers expense. Council tax is soaring over and above inflation, Crime is up as prisons are unable to take in new inmates due to Labour’s incompetence. Teenage pregnancies are also up. Homosexuals have extra rights as the age of gay consent is reduced from 18-16 and they are allowed to adopt kids. Roads are gridlocked and public transport is a joke. Education is a bigger joke with prizes for all and young people urged to go to university (and get in debt) although there aren’t enough graduate jobs in the economy to satisfy demand.

Originally Posted by kez81

Why shouldnt the age of consent not be 16 for gay people when it is for straight they should have the same rights as us, as for adopting kids they should have the right to this also!

govermemt is crap here in oz also im afraid!