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I don't know if it is because the internet has given them a voice, whether we go out of our way to ask their opinions or whether they are just getting louder, but whingers and whiners seem to dominate our national forums.

The Sunday Mail (Qld) June 06, 2010
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/o...-1225875779626

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Imported too many from the Yookay. Bitter fence jumpers who will never be satisfied, no matter where they live and how much they earn.

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Yep if you're unhappy in the Uk you'll be unhappy here. Simple

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100% agree.

I've said it before and like an old codger sitting in the corner of the pub, I'll say it again.

People who whinge and moan about the UK, and move to Australia because they don't like the UK are the first to whinge and moan about Australia and the first to get on a plane back to the UK because they don't like Australia.

Whereas people who enjoyed their lives in the UK (and there are lots of us on this forum) and came to Australia because of the positives about Australia, rather than the negatives of the UK, seem to be enjoying our lives here too.

BB

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I couldnt agree more, I for one love being British and loved living in the UK. I would never have moved but my circumsatances changed - I moved here as I met my wife (she is an Australian) and settled down. I love the place. Dont have any plans of returning to the UK.

Barney :thumbup:

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Don't know about full of "whingers and whiners". Based on the first few posts in here it seems to be full of self congratulatory back slappers.

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Not quite.

I was unhappy in the Uk, but I am very happy here.

But for most people that would be the case.

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Nice one. :lol:

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Similar story here, I was happy in the U.K I'm happy here. Deb on the other hand had suffered SAD in the U.K & has been much happier here:thumbsup: Win win for us;)

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Think it's hard for ordinary people not to have a moan when they are telling you not to ask for payrises or cocking your pay up then putting the price of everything up. Petrol is bucking this trend at the moment and on the way down. But similar has happened in UK in the past.

I was happy in the UK and am happy here in general and I still think it's a great country to live in with lots of opportunities. For that reason I'd rather move my family and friends here than go back to the UK but as that's not an option I've chose to stay here and move on enjoying life.

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Simply bollocks! I love living in Scotland , I was extremely unhappy in Australia. My experiences only.
Is this the thread for the delusional statisticians who can't afford to go back?
Forget the replies about current exchange rates.The OP is a hilariously deluded man and Mr Hutch the angry young man of Australia - a purveyor of 1980 s style petulance.:D
Australia is like re living the 80's in Britain.

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But you weren't unhappy in the UK, so how can you know ?

I think you have read things wrong.. deluded ?? Seams you are a tad ... what's the right word .... :lol:

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He's a plonker:D

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I was OK in the UK but have a better life here.

What really gets on my tits is when people say that anyone that loves Australia is a Godzoner, or has rose tints on, yet if we say they have reverse rose tints on for loving the UK they dont like it.

I dont and never have had rose tints on, I prefer where I live now - still get people sickness which is awful but thats the price to pay.

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Realistic.
Or to be more exact smarter than you ,the student politician and the Irish comedian's straight man.

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errr yes and that is the opposite of what I said, but I take your point.

If you are referring to ABC Diamond, I would ask you to retract those comments, he is one of the most respected old-school posters on this website and provides a vast amount of information for everyone hoping to come to Australia. I have no idea whether he can afford to go back or not, slightly academic as to my knowledge he doesn't want to.

And in many ways that isn't a bad thing at all. I only hope Australia doesn't ever catch up, it would be the worse a place for it.

BB

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No retraction. There is no fool like and old fool. I honestly believe the man to be delusional and a misinformer although I do believe he is well intentioned.
Why would any rational person start this thread?

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Sorry you had me on "my tits";)

But seriously I agree

Too much whinging and very little action (despite what people post I strongly suspect its more excuse than reasoning). The first to whinge are also strangely the first to criticise those growing beyound the regulation poppy.

How come the phrase godzoner when this is quite rightly for the land of the long white cloud:sneaky:

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Your response reminds me of a saying I once heard - "The critic is like a baboon. The higher he climbeth, the more he showeth his arse".

BB

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I did make a nice sweeping generalization earlier in the thread but by and large I stand by it, there will always be exceptions of course.

I must admit I may be odd but I could live happily in Australia or UK. Each has their merits and bad points - the trick is to focus on the plusses.

I'm here because work brought me here - as it did the UK from here some years ago. If I had to go back with work I would. But must admit having back and forthed a couple of times I'd prefer here - just.

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Who said it? You re not funny.This is not even criticism. It's a comment about a vey bizarre individual.

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Really????If only life was so staight forward and simple as post tends to suggest.

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See my post #20

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Who's bizarre? ABC? Hardly. Perhaps you could have a read of the rules of this site. This one, for instance:-
1. BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is "in it together", please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ... without insult or personal attack.

If you have a problem with any other poster then simply put them on 'ignore'. Do not make unsubstantiated personal comments about them. You'll be the one banned.

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There is that sense of being a little like that.

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Missed later post earlier,but agree with sentiments.

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Ordinary is the key.
Nothing to do with back slapping. People forget that life has to be managed anywhere. I bet Buzzy has to deal with the occasional hiccup. I would expand slightly on Buzzie that people who have the biggest type of issues -but non issues to the rest of us, are a certain type of Little Englander. Ill-equipped and downtrodden in the UK, their life doesn't always transfer that well..OR they do well. There's no middle ground, and whilst migration sees these people get some of the most benefits, they are also the most likely to fall foul of a myriad of issues...and there is no way of guessing their chances, only that they are high risk.

Then there are people who are even less impressed with their UK lives, scorned by all, and often these people have the most to gain. Good for them. They get another crack.

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This is a discussion forum and ABC tends to post about things that have an appeal to posters. Whingers and whiners have always provided material for discussion. All he is doing is setting out the stall for the rest of us to climb on. I don't think he even has an opinion or self-interest other than a raised eyebrow.

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I thought ABCDiamond was a women - the name reminded me of Anne Diamond (tv journalist and presenter in UK) - bit of a shock to find that not the case.

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Not a woman... more of a Big Girls Blouse. :)

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Mmmm...yes...I would have to read too many theads and posts to totally catch up but you are right some people seem to have unrealistic transfer expectations. Many seem to come thinking life here will be one long holiday if it was mine would be one of those Holidays from Hell...:rofl:..if you are here to stay you just have to try and make the most of reality.

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My stories a bit more complex in that I have lived a long while on the west coast of Canada and then moved here. I loved my life there and loved my life in the UK but I hate being here. I've learned that weather is not one of the keys for my happiness; it's good quality people. Not to say that good quality people don't exist here but it's more that I can't get away from the idiots like I could in Canada and the UK.

I think it's going to be split down the middle with respect to those that love it and those that hate it. I happened upon a page at the immi site that appeared to say that about half that come here leave. I find it interesting though, but I think it maybe a bit skewed due to the flocking phenomenon (people of like mind gathering together... it's an ego thing), but I find more immigrants admit to not being all that happy living here. Most seems to centre around the australians and their rough demeanour. I'd say it's about 7 out of 10 that have some reservations about living here.

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Totally disagree with your sweeping statement.

I thought the UK was Ok, neither liked nor disliked it, I knew it had good and bad.
Moved to Oz to see if there was more good than bad and found I had travelled back in time 30 years.
I earned twice my salary in Oz, did this want to make me stay in a backward country no !!
Yes I whinged every day in fact, well lets be serious there is a hell of a lot to whinge about !!
I stayed true to myself and didn't buy into the sunshine and backwardness, my brain wouldn't let me.

I am back in the UK, I see it through different eyes !! Thank you Australia
for making me realise that everything that could make me happy is right on my doorstep and in the 21st century.

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I agree with that but... it would be nice if some intelligence could be applied. I.e. lose the racism keep the family values... The family values here appear to be strong (relatively speaking). I went back to Canada to visit friends after 3 years here and was stunned by how many couples were getting or had gotten divorced, kids were going off the rails... It was disturbing.

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Yea - well I totally disagree with your sweeping statements. Gee what an extraordinary thrill ride of a thread.

How very remiss of you. When you arrived here 30 years ago, did you buy any harbour-side property in Sydney? You'd clean up if you sold it now.

You earned twice your salary. But it's your salary, so how could you earn twice your salary? Doesn't compute love.

So, you know back up there, just now, when you said I made a "sweeping statement" and you "totally disagreed with [it]" - ermmm, you appear to be agreeing with it now.

Did you escape from Dartmoor prior to emigrating to Australia? Is there anything else your brain won't let you do? Like, I don't know, saying anything that makes any sense at all?

Does your brain let you see the UK? That's very nice of it.

Right. That place with the comedy double-act for a government, a national debt of a trillion pounds and only the certainty of complete austerity to back-up the near bankrupt economy. How very 21st century - if it means staying solvent, I'm happy to carry on living here in the 1980s.

:lol:

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There's no rhyme or reason!

Anectode:

Someone once gave the specific example that, essentially, moving to Australia because you wanted your children to cuddle a koala was crap. (And the very stuff of rose-tints). Personally I've always found the whole whale/dolphin thing crap. I can see that view.

But I suppose alot of Australian life is a bit different hence the initial attraction.

Then you get people who move back to the UK and talk about lambs in the fields, cowslip in the meadow, and glory in some quite ordinary settings which can be experienced in any country. People reflect on snow and winter settings the like only seen once in 10 years....Someone once said they missed the sounds of carol singers walsailing from door to door.. this is not country specific - this is just a case of whether people in your neighbourhood do this sort of thing...if this is not rosetints then I don't know what is(!) It's like people get into a situation of complete depravity and chaos. Some of the MBTUK forum sounds like a group of Daily Mail Mums. Yet they all resent and universally agree that the Mail Is Bad(!)

My experience with BE is that British expats are more than happy to embrace and take over for themselves the tall poppy/battler syndrome and do it better than the locals. BE has to be one of the most (at times) negative forums I have ever chanced on, with a common denominator at times leading south...I suspect it's because most forums I visit cater for a niche interest of fairly highly resourceful and focused people more interested in the subject matter than in personal life or needs. BE can be a sort of creche for unhappy people in the midst of personal crisis (whether outbound or inbound) and the subject matter is so diverse friction develops. That diversity though leads to an interesting forum...

Godzoner - religious zeal, I suspect, nothing to do with NZ. Never heard an Australian mention it, though.

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I can't work out where people get their 30 year assertions from. Don't people know you can buy mobiles and stuff here?

But I see their point - genuinely.

I honestly believe that half the forum are IT geeks who really only want to spend all their time upgrading their PCs, playing games, downloading bittorrents and shopping (and researching) for gadgets - online.

That would explain about 90pc of all known complaints about 'choice', broadband limits, et cetera! It's a forum, many of us work in IT. Surely it explains alot of behaviour(!)

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God you really are an idiot, I haven't made one sweeping statement.
I earnt twice as much money in Australia as I did in the UK.
I have a brain, hence I couldn't live with the backwardness I came up against every day in Oz,
I have agreed with absolutely nothing you have said.

Lets just cut to the chase and say there are people who love Australia at all costs. (this is you)
and people who couldn't stand it. (this is me)
no amount of chatting on a forum will make us see eye to eye.

You slag me off, I slag you off.
I am off for a nice walk in the countryside where I live.

Oh! can I just mention, if you all love Oz so much, why are you always on this forum justifying yourselves ?
Instead of enjoying this wonderful country you all are so grateful to live in.

Just a thought that always makes me smile.

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Spot on! It's a bit sad coming on a forum and justifying your choice of country.....:D
I didn't whinge about the UK and I'm not whinging about living here, life is too short!

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He laid into you this time, but Hutch has been quite capable of slagging off aspects of Austalia.
Internet usage is a practise utliised here too. I walked most of Sunday in the Australian countryside - as you would put it - infact I have tendered an interest in joining the state Bush Search and Rescue team which operates self-sufficiently in small groups with VicPolice. This will dovetail nicely with my vol firefighter activities...and after my daily trg session a bloke has to rest at home with his family of an evening you know!!

I am sure though that there are souls in both countries who are of weak and feeble mind and body.