Vaccines and autism
Jun 10th 2009, 10:48 am
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Re: Vaccines and autism
They being who?
Not smoking it but I have traces of it in my blood - detected by a modern test by modern man. My contamination was most probably due to my last visit to South Africa a few months ago where it is still spraying DDT even thought the rest of the world has banned it. Guess they are trying to kill the people there?
Jun 11th 2009, 9:52 pm
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Re: Vaccines and autism
Prof Wakefield's study was too small and no other funded study has been completely impartial. I think the only things that Prof Wakefield's study showed was the need for further studies into the effects of mass immunisation, especially considering the 5 in 1 vaccine that is being introduced, and the need for increased funding toward Autism diagnosis and treatments. Unfortunately Atism diagnosis tends to occur around the age of 18-36 months when children are expected to become much more social and active, exactly when the MMR is scheduled. Although I don't doubt that there is some kind of trigger, but I do think that the greater amount of children who have the MMR and not Autism compared the ones that have it and are diagnosed Autistic speak for themselves.
Jun 11th 2009, 9:55 pm
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Re: Vaccines and autism
Has there been a study on the link between his nuts and aliens?
There has never been a study that has conclusively proven a link between the MMR and Autism.
Prof Wakefield's study was too small and no other funded study has been completely impartial. I think the only things that Prof Wakefield's study showed was the need for further studies into the effects of mass immunisation, especially considering the 5 in 1 vaccine that is being introduced, and the need for increased funding toward Autism diagnosis and treatments. Unfortunately Atism diagnosis tends to occur around the age of 18-36 months when children are expected to become much more social and active, exactly when the MMR is scheduled. Although I don't doubt that there is some kind of trigger, but I do think that the greater amount of children who have the MMR and not Autism compared the ones that have it and are diagnosed Autistic speak for themselves.
Prof Wakefield's study was too small and no other funded study has been completely impartial. I think the only things that Prof Wakefield's study showed was the need for further studies into the effects of mass immunisation, especially considering the 5 in 1 vaccine that is being introduced, and the need for increased funding toward Autism diagnosis and treatments. Unfortunately Atism diagnosis tends to occur around the age of 18-36 months when children are expected to become much more social and active, exactly when the MMR is scheduled. Although I don't doubt that there is some kind of trigger, but I do think that the greater amount of children who have the MMR and not Autism compared the ones that have it and are diagnosed Autistic speak for themselves.
Jun 12th 2009, 3:03 am
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Jun 12th 2009, 6:29 am
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Re: Vaccines and autism
It drives me mad when someone states that their child was vaccinated and it absolutely fine, as if this proves some scientific fact about the vaccine's safety. No, MMR most likely does not cause autism on it's own. However that does not mean it is completely safe as all drugs have side effects. Thousands of children around the world are legally recognised as vaccine damaged, and those states in America where vaccination is mandatory have higher than average proportions of behavioural problems and autism ranging from mild to severe.
Please remember it took around 20 years of one solitary medical professional trying to research before anyone listened about the dangers of x-ray in pregnancy. Vaccines save millions of lives, but they also make millions of dollars. And unlike other drugs they are not vigorously tested before they are given to our little children. A little compassion please for those of us who do not want to just follow doctors orders and are looking to research a little the best way to ensure the health of our children.
Please remember it took around 20 years of one solitary medical professional trying to research before anyone listened about the dangers of x-ray in pregnancy. Vaccines save millions of lives, but they also make millions of dollars. And unlike other drugs they are not vigorously tested before they are given to our little children. A little compassion please for those of us who do not want to just follow doctors orders and are looking to research a little the best way to ensure the health of our children.
Jun 12th 2009, 7:55 am
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Re: Vaccines and autism
It drives me mad when someone states that their child was vaccinated and it absolutely fine, as if this proves some scientific fact about the vaccine's safety. No, MMR most likely does not cause autism on it's own. However that does not mean it is completely safe as all drugs have side effects. Thousands of children around the world are legally recognised as vaccine damaged, and those states in America where vaccination is mandatory have higher than average proportions of behavioural problems and autism ranging from mild to severe.
Please remember it took around 20 years of one solitary medical professional trying to research before anyone listened about the dangers of x-ray in pregnancy. Vaccines save millions of lives, but they also make millions of dollars. And unlike other drugs they are not vigorously tested before they are given to our little children. A little compassion please for those of us who do not want to just follow doctors orders and are looking to research a little the best way to ensure the health of our children.
Please remember it took around 20 years of one solitary medical professional trying to research before anyone listened about the dangers of x-ray in pregnancy. Vaccines save millions of lives, but they also make millions of dollars. And unlike other drugs they are not vigorously tested before they are given to our little children. A little compassion please for those of us who do not want to just follow doctors orders and are looking to research a little the best way to ensure the health of our children.
I don't know whether there is truth in what you say that US states that have higher rates of vaccination have higher rates of autism. I suspect that it is nonsense and would like to see the study - as opposed to unsubstantiated figures put out by MumsagainstMMR.com or somesuch.
Jun 12th 2009, 8:03 am
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Re: Vaccines and autism
By the same token, some stressed parent, who's child is Autistic, blaming MMR and quoting highly dubious and unsubstantiated claims does not prove the vaccine's supposed dangers.
Jun 12th 2009, 8:05 am
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I've just spent 20 minutes trying to find information and can't find anything to suggest that it is compulsory in any US state.
Is this a case of yet more mis-information and pseudo-science from the anti-vaccination lobby or is the evidence out there somewhere?
Jun 12th 2009, 8:10 am
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And proper science - not DailyMailMothersOutsideThe SchoolGates - suggests that mothers who beat themselves up about causing their child's auitism by giving them the MMR vaccine are completely wrong to do so.
Jun 12th 2009, 8:22 am
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Re: Vaccines and autism
agreed. There needs to be more actual research as opposed to anecdotal claims on both sides of the argument as this proves nothing.
Jun 12th 2009, 8:38 am
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Re: Vaccines and autism
Can you post the link which shows that MMR is compulsory is certain states in the US?
I've just spent 20 minutes trying to find information and can't find anything to suggest that it is compulsory in any US state.
Is this a case of yet more mis-information and pseudo-science from the anti-vaccination lobby or is the evidence out there somewhere?
I've just spent 20 minutes trying to find information and can't find anything to suggest that it is compulsory in any US state.
Is this a case of yet more mis-information and pseudo-science from the anti-vaccination lobby or is the evidence out there somewhere?
Vaccination policy in U.S.
States in the U.S. mandate immunization, or obtaining exemption, before children enroll in public school. Exemptions are typically for people who have compromised immune systems, allergies to the components used in vaccinations, or strongly-held objections. All states but West Virginia and Mississippi allow religious exemptions, and twenty states allow parents to cite personal or philosophical objections. A widespread and growing number of parents falsely claim religious and philosophical beliefs to get vaccination exemptions, and an increasing number of disease outbreaks have come from communities where herd immunity was lost due to insufficient vaccination.[8]
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy
States in the U.S. mandate immunization, or obtaining exemption, before children enroll in public school. Exemptions are typically for people who have compromised immune systems, allergies to the components used in vaccinations, or strongly-held objections. All states but West Virginia and Mississippi allow religious exemptions, and twenty states allow parents to cite personal or philosophical objections. A widespread and growing number of parents falsely claim religious and philosophical beliefs to get vaccination exemptions, and an increasing number of disease outbreaks have come from communities where herd immunity was lost due to insufficient vaccination.[8]