UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
Mar 17th 2010, 11:07 am
#31
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
OAPs in the UK are paying tax, those in Australia aren't. Hence the better deal for old folks in the UK. Seems pretty straightforward.
Mar 17th 2010, 11:17 am
#32
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
It's about choice.
I returned knowing that my middle child will have free universty tuition(in Scotland) It was one of the things that had to be considered.
Mar 17th 2010, 11:20 am
#33
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
The point here is that we paid the same dues as anyone else, and a damned sight more than some, so why shouldn't we receive the same benefits?
Mar 17th 2010, 11:27 am
#34
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
You obviously missed the statement from the UK government quoted earlier in the thread:
As the petition correctly points out, State Pensions are paid out of the National Insurance Fund (NIF) rather than general taxation.
Tax has nothing to do with UK state pension.
Mar 17th 2010, 11:34 am
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
That's not correct.
You obviously missed the statement from the UK government quoted earlier in the thread:
As the petition correctly points out, State Pensions are paid out of the National Insurance Fund (NIF) rather than general taxation.
Tax has nothing to do with UK state pension.
You obviously missed the statement from the UK government quoted earlier in the thread:
As the petition correctly points out, State Pensions are paid out of the National Insurance Fund (NIF) rather than general taxation.
Tax has nothing to do with UK state pension.
I'm sure there will heated pension action debate at the bbqs this weekend.
Mar 17th 2010, 12:37 pm
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
Simple solution....
Get an address and bank account in the Philippines and tell the UK you live there.
You then get all the annual rises !!!
As for any arguments that say it costs too much to provide these rises to non residents of Britain, how come those who moved to Asian countries etc can get the rises ?
If no-one got it, then it would be understandable and acceptable to all.... but the question remains, why do some get it, but not everyone ?
Get an address and bank account in the Philippines and tell the UK you live there.
You then get all the annual rises !!!
As for any arguments that say it costs too much to provide these rises to non residents of Britain, how come those who moved to Asian countries etc can get the rises ?
If no-one got it, then it would be understandable and acceptable to all.... but the question remains, why do some get it, but not everyone ?
Mar 17th 2010, 12:42 pm
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
Simple solution....
Get an address and bank account in the Philippines and tell the UK you live there.
You then get all the annual rises !!!
As for any arguments that say it costs too much to provide these rises to non residents of Britain, how come those who moved to Asian countries etc can get the rises ?
If no-one got it, then it would be understandable and acceptable to all.... but the question remains, why do some get it, but not everyone ?
Get an address and bank account in the Philippines and tell the UK you live there.
You then get all the annual rises !!!
As for any arguments that say it costs too much to provide these rises to non residents of Britain, how come those who moved to Asian countries etc can get the rises ?
If no-one got it, then it would be understandable and acceptable to all.... but the question remains, why do some get it, but not everyone ?
" he haw " you can do about it.
It will be a substantial amount for the impoverished UK govt. that it does not pay to Aussie dwellers.
Mar 17th 2010, 12:56 pm
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
Out of sight ,out of mind. You all live in Australia which, believe it or not is very isolated and no one gives a shit about! It's unfair I know,but there is
" he haw " you can do about it.
It will be a substantial amount for the impoverished UK govt. that it does not pay to Aussie dwellers.
" he haw " you can do about it.
It will be a substantial amount for the impoverished UK govt. that it does not pay to Aussie dwellers.
Does it make sense to anyone ?
Mar 17th 2010, 1:11 pm
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Does it make fiscal sense to the UK ?-Yes.
With all that free dental care and cheap superior healthcare,not to mention the low cost of quality goods available and house values that can never go down that you mention I don't think you'll need that pension of a third world country like the UK.
Bottom line is that whilst you live in Aus ou don't really matter.
Mar 17th 2010, 1:12 pm
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I do wonder if the European court understands it all.
After all they did say: "As non-residents, the applicants did not contribute to the UK economy, in particular, they paid no UK tax to offset the cost of any increase in the pension," a statement from the court said.'
But what about the non-residents who live in in the USA, and do get the increases. ?
If you live in Canada, South Africa and Australia, you do NOT get the increases.
If you live in USA
Another quote "The Department for Work and Pensions welcomed the ruling and said its first responsibility was to support pensioners in the UK."
They should have said "the first responsibility was to support pensioners in the UK, the USA, Israel, etc, etc...."
Some interesting figures:
If Britain really needs the money, why not stop the increases to ALL expats ?
After all they did say: "As non-residents, the applicants did not contribute to the UK economy, in particular, they paid no UK tax to offset the cost of any increase in the pension," a statement from the court said.'
But what about the non-residents who live in in the USA, and do get the increases. ?
If you live in Canada, South Africa and Australia, you do NOT get the increases.
If you live in USA
Another quote "The Department for Work and Pensions welcomed the ruling and said its first responsibility was to support pensioners in the UK."
They should have said "the first responsibility was to support pensioners in the UK, the USA, Israel, etc, etc...."
Some interesting figures:
- 460,000 British expatriate state pensioners live in a 'frozen' country.
- 390,000 British expatriate pensioners receive the same annual uprating as the pensioners still residing in the United Kingdom.
If Britain really needs the money, why not stop the increases to ALL expats ?
Where does that come in ?
Mar 17th 2010, 1:21 pm
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Re: UK expats lose pension freeze appeal
Did I say it was fair ? No I did not.
It has nothing to do with my attitude.
Do I detect bitterness? Yes.
Are you a shameless Australian propogandaist? Yes.
Are many of the people who pm me about your self promotion pishing themselves at your whinging? Probably.
I'll say it again IT IS UNFAIR.
It has nothing to do with my attitude.
Do I detect bitterness? Yes.
Are you a shameless Australian propogandaist? Yes.
Are many of the people who pm me about your self promotion pishing themselves at your whinging? Probably.
I'll say it again IT IS UNFAIR.
