Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12275450)

There are now comments that the cladding used was, in fact, banned in the UK, if this is true, then that opens up a real can of worms and someone, developers or council or both might well be found to be guilty of corporate manslaughter.

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275444)

They said May caused the fire did they? :rofl:

You do not understand people's anger?

I didn't vote for Corbyn as it happens.

You just don't have a clue.

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275454)

I'm meant to feel guilty for taking up a teaching position in 1980 with a final salary pension scheme and low pay compared to other graduates because I had a sense of public service and got enjoyment out of teaching others and passing on my skills? (where's the 'danger' in making widgets or getting a huge salary and a 7 figure bonus for gambling with other people's money in banking?)

She increased pay for police and armed forces AS WELL as putting them on a more lucrative pension scheme. She signalled that law and order is more important than people going onto tertiary education and into teaching.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12275465)

My heart bleeds.

Get over yourself.

Your career decisions are your problems, or benefits.

Stop blaming others for whatever injustices you feel you have been dealt.

So so left wing ........ me me me me

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275476)

You are presuming you have blood in your system and a heart. :rofl:

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12275462)

If so, then that would be contractor followed by Building Control, if my UK construction memory serves me correctly. Could even be architect for specifying that material. Or cladding contractor if there was a specialist cladding contractor on board.

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275480)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7795696.html

Omnis Exteriors asked to supply cladding £2 cheaper a square metre than fire-resistant type, investigation finds

Material used in the cladding that covered the Grenfell Tower was the cheaper, more flammable version of the two available options, an investigation of the supply chain has confirmed.

Omnis Exteriors manufactured the aluminium composite material (ACM) used in the cladding, a company director, John Cowley, confirmed to the Guardian.
He also said Omnis had been asked to supply Reynobond PE cladding, which is £2 cheaper per square metre than the alternative Reynobond FR, which stands for “fire resistant” to the companies that worked on refurbishing Grenfell Tower.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12275492)

See post 145.

From your article

"So there are two separate questions. One, are our regulations correct, do they permit the right kind of materials and ban the wrong kind of materials? The second question is were they correctly complied with?

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12275791)

And why allow the flammable version to be sold in the first place? I mean, seriously, is there ever a case where flammable wall cladding is a good idea?

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12275791)

And why allow the flammable version to be sold in the first place? I mean, seriously, is there ever a case where flammable wall cladding is a good idea?

Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12275816)

I'm sure I read somewhere , the PE stuff is suitable for buildings under 12m and gas stations. I may have got that wrong.

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12275862)

I know nothing about cladding and building fire standards so this is only speculation

Was this stuff legal (even though not fire proof) - if so then it was legally okay to use (if not ethical - very different things)

Was this stuff illegal - then I would imagine that's a crime and manslaughter charges are a genuine prospect for those responsible

It's speculation at the moment about the legality of this cladding - there is so much contradictory information out there

Plenty of people using this tragedy for their own agendas though, which is sad

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12275865)

Couldn't agree more, especially the last sentence. Anyone who uses something like this, especially in such early days, should hang their head.