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Crazy right.

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At the end of the day, it's the extremes of both sides that are driving the polarisation of this current political debacle in this country.

Decide what camp you lean towards... The Racist extreme right of Queensland or the Workers of Victoria. Unfortunately, at this point, the fence sitters are getting splinters and sore arses.

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Hold on. The workers and the racists are the same bunch in many parts.

That was Duttons catch cry. Looking after Howard's battlers. That's the guys in your union.

(PS mods. This is the last time I am going to re-edit these double reply posts. Please get it fixed)

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Not down here, neither in Sydney, I'd wager, and any worker that believes a right-wing government will help save them from exploitative management is suffering a hallucinogenic delusion, only caveat being stymying the more looney anti-worker policies of the Greens, which is where Labours divisional problems start.

It's time to choose guys, the workers or the racists.

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Well there aren't really any racists to choose from (not in the 2 main parties anyway) and only 20% of people are union members in this country.

So you have the self serving Libs who to their credit have a variety of MP which oddly works to serve all cross breeds of society. Or you have Labor which core values are to support unions and their members. The me me me of society. The small 20%.

Despite recent events, the choice is still very clear.

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Really are you that naive?

They are already starting down here.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/very-bla...e-ministership

https://www.facebook.com/events/318718212007011/

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CF=0

Shite like this only turns the average punter away and into the arms of those who want to be tough on border protection

Shorten will also have to go to the right on boats

Works for me

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Is that the best you can do?

An extremely successful policy supported by most Australians in which even your own Labor clowns said they would not change if in power.

See. This is the problem with the Labor party. They have nothing except relying on their opposition to self destruct.

It's a sad ideology you live in Ozzie. One that's decades out dated and rapidly declining in its support. Blinkers on ..... enjoy

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This is interesting.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/calls-mount-for-wrecker-tony-abbott-to-quit-politics/news-story/433969c9bc6d76c70a50922b01c32ae1

There was a lot of public support for Turnbull. Now Australia is looking for a scapegoat.

Perfect opportunity for the right independent to run on the Insular Penninsula.

At kids soccer this morning there was a lot of speculation Turnbull could run as an independent for Wentworth. Or even start his own party. Certainly worthwhile throwing a candidate in for the Insular Peninsula.

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https://www.pollbludger.net/2018/08/...vote-entrails/

These polls were before Dutton failed - and he was already down into 'loss' territory as a result of his actions. He's now basically screwed. If they can use it to get rid of Abbott as well, then the "axis of loony" starts collapsing, potentially allowing Morrison to push more progressive policies that would be more voter friendly. However, it's worth remembering that he himself is a nasty piece of work, so policy shift seems unlikely.

I'm actually wondering if the election can be forced soon - and if so the libs will get creamed - they just aren't even close to ready.

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I said public support. You are unbelievable. You turned that into MP support. Nice try. No cigar again.

And what a disaster that would be for Australia. Why would you want to take a country which is doing really well, and destroy it?

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Well one does have to laugh. It was due to Coalition MP's fearing for their continued employment that a insurrection from within ranks occurred. The ideology on the nose of course, being proved time again to be a flop and a costly one at that, neoliberalism doesn't have a great shelf life to follow. The vogue created by such failure is why populist parties have been doing well.

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Except it is not doing well. But at least some of the issues have come to light. If the country was doing well, of course, the panic button would not have been set within the Coalition Party, but thing being very little likely to change. The wreckers don't care for anything beyond their continuing career and pension. Definitely time to ditch the Coalition.

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Another two PM's by Christmas?

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May work for you, but not all are on the right to Genghis Khan. Outside of the extreme conservative Right and rusted on Bogans, I suspect far fewer support the shocking treatment that has been dished out to those in detention centres, which ALP claim, was never meant to be an ever on going thing.

Shorten will likely bring the fiasco that exists at present to an end. The cost has been enormous in gold and suffering.

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Another leftie with their head in the sand

The majority of people in this country - left and right - do not want the Manus/Nauru economic migrants and other economic migrant boat arrivals anywhere near Australia. End of

The only way for Shorten (if elected) to finalise Manus/Nauru is to bring them to Australia. If he brings them to Australia, boats start arriving again. Boats start arriving, he loses the next election

People do not want them here - ask some Sudanese people who came here via the UNHCR what they think of boat economic migrants. You may be surprised by the answer

The Manus/Nauru muppets can stay there, go somewhere else or go home. Simple. Any alleged suffering is overblown hand-wringing nonsense

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Fortunately you and your kind don't have much influence over affairs of the nation. Although far too much considering the 'thin platform' of hatred and dissent towards decency that the Right tries to run on. Yes, a race to the bottom.
Shorten may or may not bring them to Australia. Howard did over time when he was in power. But the NZ option remains. Time the whole sorry episode was brought to a close whatever the solution that is finally reached may be.
Wrong yet again. The remaining asylum seekers in both locations, have met criteria and are refugees. It matters not, whether you like or agree with the assessment those are the facts. Australia has an obligation as thus to reach a conclusion to the intolerable situation.
In fact in my area of acquaintance, I know of nobody that supports the present state. It displays the tone of people you mix with if those are your findings. No wonder you tread in the political wilderness ....Sudanese? Actually glad you mention that group. Who they are pretty sore about is not asylum seekers being ill treated in off shore camps, to which many express sympathy with, being quite strong in Christian belief, but the farcical act called a government and the former Minister Dutton and comments about folk too scared to eat out in Melbourne due to Sudanese gang problems. More wrong info I'm afraid.

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If that stupid, virtue signalling woman who runs New Zealand wants them that's cool - as long as there is an agreement that they can never come to Australia

The rest of your post unintelligible

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I've missed something. What are you re editing and why? I've not experienced any multiquote problems nor have I noticed any issues when other people multiquote.

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And that's the problem. As much as the Liberal Party (and Labor before them) strive to wreak themselves only one party has proven to do everything else right. The Libs. Labor wrecked themselves and the country. The Libs only wreak themselves.

You know the right way to vote. Don't be resentful and foolish now.

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In case you missed it, the wreckers (Abbott) did it out of resentment. You know all about resentment. Perhaps you and Abbott need a beer together.

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I feel your envy and can sing-along with it finally a NZ PM with interests in the people. Not just the Big End of town who most are bought by. You do need a certain 'level' granted to comprehend the meaning behind what I say, but when I write on this forum, I do tend to keep it simple.

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What you write is simple (simplistic actually) so you've got that right!

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Ozzie - I have said this before - I think people forget that many Melbournians / Victorians and indeed Australians are small - business people and tradies. It is not as if everyone works in a factory in Dandenong. If people vote for Labour it might be students and people concerned about negative gearing - many Champagne Socialists will vote Green.

I can see Labour winning the next election simply because the Liberals could not solve their divisions- it is their turn, simply.

I would still vote for the Liberals, as they are not Bill Shorten - a massive hypocrite and a man who will say anything to look good and is married to the Gov General's daughter - I mean what does the average Battler think of that - and
the fact he has his knees under the table of the big end of town - and is nothing more than an administrator - having used unions to get his own career of the ground? What do battlers think of that - a white collar middle class boy with a better start perhaps in life than Turnbull, using their 'Hands off our Union" taking them for a ride? I don't get it...

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I have no problems with these traits. People generate good fortune in life and if Bullshit Bill has generated some then good for him. No one should resent him over that.

However he and his supporters suffer badly from Tall Poppy Syndrome and that I cannot stand with a passion.

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You're quoting Badge but it says you're quoting the troubadour...is that the issue you were talking about?

The Newspoll is out...Labor 56/44...Coalition primary vote at 33%.

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All of these people are terrible, in all of the parties.

My vote doesn't matter because my rural electorate is a one-pony show, but poor strategy from both Morrison and Dutton. I don't buy that either of those two (or Turnbull) are grand master strategists like the papers have been trying to say. I think they are opportunists and in the case of Morrison and Dutton, saw a chance to grab the brass ring and so lunged at it.

51/49 2PP for Labor is nothing for the Liberals to be concerned about. That was the result in 1998 and the Coalition retained Government on that. If anyone in the Coalition was "panicking" on 51-49, they shouldn't be in politics.

But now the Coalition will probably get belted and Morrison will get blamed for that. Maybe not by 12 points, but if they lose by something like 6-8 points, that is worse than the margin Abbott beat Rudd by in 2013, and the Dutton faction will say "see, should have listened to us" and the question arises what are they keeping Morrison around for? They will turf him and the Dutton brigade will emerge stronger, either under Dutton or someone else from that group.

Morrison is not nearly as famous outside the Canberra bubble as he is inside it. Most of the people I work with had no idea who he was until late last week. The media will try to protect him but because he is relatively unknown, he could be painted as a steward of good governance across portfolios, or a craven political opportunist who played a starring role in knifing two Prime Ministers in under three years.

Dutton also would have gotten belted by the ALP and also gotten the blame and been turfed out under a "see? Shouldn't have listened to the reactionaries!" type thing.

I thought the same thing when Kevin Rudd took back the Prime Ministership in 2013. Should have just let Julia Gillard go down with the ship and taken the mantle virtually unopposed after the election. Had he done that, Labor probably would have beaten Turnbull in the last election and Rudd would be PM now.
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Not that Labor should be that confident, has it even been two months since that Albanese was doing his own numbers on Shorten? Albo, Plibersek and Tony Burke all want to be Prime Minister the same way they want to take their next breath. When Labor wins in a few months, it will not be because of any love of the public to the ALP, Shorten or any of the other Labor characters, it will be because the Coalition is such a self-interested mess.

Double dissolution, and ban all the current members from standing again.

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Thanks bcworld. As I said Beoz, I've not seen any problems before this. It's kind of weird. I'll get Tech on to it.

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Weird. I definately replied to Badge. It's his text there. Not the problem I referred to. I seem to get the person I replied to plus someone else in the reply. I have to delete the other persons text.

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Oh yeah I see what you mean!

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Do it for you in part zulubro., as do attempt to reach out as far as possible, to as many as possible, if that means keeping it simplistic, so be it.

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That does happen if you previously hit the quote button on someone's post but then decided not to reply. Somehow the quoted bit can stay in the memory bank until you decide to quote someone later.