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So, over 1m people signing a petition to ban DT from a sate visit to the UK

Bizarre

Over the years, the Queen has hosted desposts like Mugabe, Mswati, Ceaușescu, Salman, Al Khalifa (and that's just the one's I can think of) etc but can't host the newly elected leader of her nation's closest ally

muslim arab dictators - with contracts for fighter jets in their pockets - cool. New POTUS - not cool

The hypocrisy of the left/SJWs/feminazis is breathtaking

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Really????? The wall is good. Its excellent considering the amount of contra band that travel from Central and South America through its borders.

Executive Order Expediting Approvals For High Priority Infrastructure Projects is another excellent decision.

You see. Sweeping statements can be pulled apart pretty easily.

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The left-wing media and Twitterati are jumping up and down and screaming at Turnbull to condemn Trump's travel ban

Why should he?

This is an internal decision made by the new US government - nothing to do with Turnbull. Would we like it if the US criticised Australian government policy?

Turnbull has just made a deal with the US to take 'refugees' from Manus and Nauru. Why would he jeopardise that?

Blustering Shorten and co need to recognise that there is political reality at play here - hopefully (for our sake) something that he will never have to deal with

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The wall, as everyone concerned states, is profoundly moronic. There is already a wall/fence and not surprisingly, it doesn't stop anything. A new wall won't be any more effective, and will significantly reduce good will with Mexico, meaning they will do even less to stop people going over/under/ around/through it. It'll also kill NAFTA in the idiocy of trying to get Mexico to pay, which was a net positive for the US.

That's one of his monumental screwups.

Ahh yes, the "let's built those pipelines that no longer make sense and were only ever to Canada's benefit", when they are breaking and spewing oil everywhere.

Keystone XL Still Faces Obstacles Even With Trump’s Approval | OilPrice.com

Another monumentally stupid decision.

Still waiting ...

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Oh dear, the acting attorney general has directed government lawyers to not defend trumps executive order, since she doesn't believe it is lawful.

US attorney general defies immigrant ban - BBC News

Cockup city it seems, he didn't even get the AG to sign off on it. :blink:

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I agree entirely, though looking at it from the eyes of his "overseers" in Moscow, to whom he has a great debt, he's pushing all the right buttons.

They must be sipping champagne in the Kremlin right now looking at how the orangutan they placed in the White House is already tearing at the fabric of US society, putting the US at odds with the entire Muslim world (extremists in the region will be rejoicing as well), unilaterally damaging relations with European allies (not to mention neighbouring countries as well), allowing China to take the political lead in furthering global trade which will lessen the US position in Asia and beyond, taking a u-turn on clean energy, etc. Not to mention scathing political attacks on the CIA, numerous high-level appointments that will now have to be scrutinised at every step by the security agencies and congressional oversight due to their connections with Russia, doubts over NATO, doubts over Russia sanctions, a cooling of relations with Germany, always a key ally (much to Russia's delight yet again).

So far I only see two beneficiaries to Trump's actions: Russia and religious extremists.

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Mexico itself has a lot to do with the illegal immigration problem with the US

Mexico should be a wealthy country. It has major oil and gas reserves, large deposits of copper, silver, tungsten and other minerals, a massive agricultural and fishing industry, loads of manufacturing and a huge tourism setup. It's part of the G20. Yet poverty is endemic, social mobility is limited, opportunities are scarce, crime is out of control

Why?

Lot's of reasons but there are 2 main one's. Its Spanish colonial heritage is partly to blame. When Spain colonised, their policy was to plunder and exploit and take it all home - f**k the locals. UK colonial policy was to plunder and exploit but also to build viable institutions and norms in their possessions. The other reason is that corruption and nepotism is rife in Mexico. Everything requires a kickback or payment to someone higher up and the elite give the best gigs to each other. This allows hopelessness, poverty and crime to flourish. Yes, there is corruption and nepotism in the US but nowhere near the scale of Mexico. The US is - just - still a meritorious society. Mexico is therefore a basketcase and the US is not. All this means that the pull factors of the US are massive for Mexicans who have been shat on all their lives

If Mexico got its house in order there would be no illegal immigration problem. Have a look at America's northern border with Canada and you see the solution

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I wondered how long it would be before firearms came into the picture.

On Monday January 30, 2017, at 12:28 p.m., a community member flagged down police at Terry Schrunk Plaza in Downtown Portland to report that the passenger in a pick-up truck displayed a handgun as the driver passed a peaceful demonstration in the park.

Officers in the area located the vehicle circling the area and conducted a high-risk traffic stop of the driver and passenger in the vehicle at Southwest 4th Avenue and Salmon Street.

Both the driver and passenger were taken into custody without incident. Inside the truck, officers located the handgun, which turned out to be a replica firearm (BB gun). Additionally, officers located an unloaded AR-15 style rifle that belonged to the driver. There were no reports that the driver displayed the rifle during this incident.

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they're one and the same in this instance (Elite implies that they are better, elitist is more accurate, they THINK they're better). They both pour scorne on people who don't see things the same way. If this isn't so, I'd love to see the examples.

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You're right of course, and I do like the term fiminazis haha. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to laugh at Trump, he's a goon of the highest order. I can't bring myself to utterly condemn the man though, what he's doing pales into insignificance compared to the people you list above, and nothing gets said about them. Hypocrisy indeed

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Oh FFS!

The little twerp sacks the attorney general for pointing up he's not acting legally. We now have the farce of a simpleton ignore his legally trained AG because he doesn't like the message.

Trump sacks defiant acting attorney general - BBC News

As I said, the sooner he's jailed, the better for everyone.

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I'd find this way more disturbing than the ban itself, this is the one that bodes not well at all for the states. What are his jailable offences so-far though?

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No, that's just following the Obama/Clinton line. In actuality the acting Attorney General - an Obama appointee whose husband was a strong supporter of the Clinton menace - flat refused to obey an executive order. So he fired her, and quite right too. Would you have every political appointee in the Federal Civil Service defying the legally elected President (who, by the way, is advised by top-notch lawyers with a whole lot more weight than the flibbertigibbet junior clerk who defied him? Cripes.

Anarchism is usually more my line, but you can borrow it for a while, if you like.

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Trump is off to a great start, has a 60% approval rating.

The travel ban thing combined with asking Saudi Arabia to help with setting up regional "Safe zones" for the refugees is a masterstroke. It will benefit not only the refugees but the West too, who don't have the resources to accommodate another tidal wave of people who are not able to assimilate.

In fact, The Donald may have just saved Western civilisation

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There is already a partial fence - the US started constructing the fence in 1994. It prevents some crossings but those determined enough will find a spot with no fence.

So filling the gaps and strengthening what is there, since 1994, is a perfectly normal thing for any country to do.

If your border is porous, and attracts illegal entry of both people and contra band, you fill it.

There is no issue. You just want there to be one.

Ah yes, when all else fails lets go to the environmental impact. Well all infrastructure projects have an environmental impact of some sort, roads, bridges, pipelines, buildings.

You know what, many infrastructure projects provide the environmental cleanup that otherwise wouldn't occur.

You want to build a road over a former land fill? Guess what. You need to clean out that land fill before doing so. You want to build a new Olympic Site in East London. Every grain of soil needed to be taken off site, cleaned and replaced.

Or lets just live in trees shall we?