Simon Barnes - Why England & Oz hate each other
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Where have I said ALL AUSSIES ARE BAD LOSERS? I haven't even inferred this in any of my posts. What I said, was that some of these incidents are slowly giving the perception outside of Australia that Australians are sore losers. I never said they actually were as a generalisation, I just highlighted some events that have unfortunately given that perception.
But thanks for psycho analysis and lumping me into your little category! From reading some of your previous posts you seem hell bent on laying into anyone even remotely saying anything negative about Australia or Aussies. Maybe you should read posts before passing judgement or comment on other people, as I have not criticised Aussies or Australians in this case.
Where have I said ALL AUSSIES ARE BAD LOSERS? I haven't even inferred this in any of my posts. What I said, was that some of these incidents are slowly giving the perception outside of Australia that Australians are sore losers. I never said they actually were as a generalisation, I just highlighted some events that have unfortunately given that perception.
But thanks for psycho analysis and lumping me into your little category! From reading some of your previous posts you seem hell bent on laying into anyone even remotely saying anything negative about Australia or Aussies. Maybe you should read posts before passing judgement or comment on other people, as I have not criticised Aussies or Australians in this case.
I don't trust anything I read in the papers. 4 people playing bad losers in 5 years is a non-event. And you could argue that the Brits are stereotypically good losers because they are allegedly good at it - when in fact they are capable of winning well....not that I want to get into the age old comparison...
There is a book out there called 'Fooled by Randomness' - where among other common strands the author is very critical of events reported in the media and the effect on public opinion.
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It's papers do seem to report failures - and you can find in it's editorials precisely what other people from other states complain they can't find.
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Aussies are bad losers becasue they are'nt used to losing unlike the English.
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Or rather that we tend to win the ones we enter.
England qualifies for plenty of stuff, but I don't hear a lot of winning going on. Even at the Olympics it took the combined force of England, Scotland and Wales to take more medals than Australia.
England qualifies for plenty of stuff, but I don't hear a lot of winning going on. Even at the Olympics it took the combined force of England, Scotland and Wales to take more medals than Australia.
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Look at how many of Australia's Olympic athletes or coaches have been in Australia for less than 10 years.
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Look at how many of Australia's Olympic athletes or coaches have been in Australia for less than 10 years.
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What? Australia usually ranks in the top 6 at the Olympics - beating wealthy 1st world nations with far better facilities, far larger teams and more than double our population - and we totally dominate the Commonwealth Games.
Do you have an exact figure? Oh, and... relevance?
Do you have an exact figure? Oh, and... relevance?
Australia enrol poor overseas athletes all the time to bolster their team, especially in those sports where they are crap. The funniest one, was an Algerian long distance runner who was granted Aussie citizenship the day before the 2008 Olympic selection deadline. How convenient....
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No, but here is a list of "Australian" athletes at the 2008 Games
Cate Campbell
Matt Target
Myriam Glez
Erika Leal-Ramirez
Pietro Figlioli
Sky Kim
Youcef Abdi
Luke Adams
Clinton Hill
Fabrice Lapierre
Eugenia Tanaka
CJ Bruton
Stephen Sutherland
Rob Bell
Torsten Lachmann
Chantal Meek
Laurie Lever
Lucinda Fredericks
Clayton Fredericks
Billy Celeski
Neil Kilkenny
Nikita Rukavytsya
Archie Thompson
Daria Joura
Rachel Imison
Fergus Kavanagh
Maria Pekli
Semir Pepic
Rod Hisholm
Peter Hardcastle
Amy Ives
Dina Aspandiyarova
Stacy Roiall
Lalita Yauhleuskaya
Jian Fang Lay
Miao Miao
Stephanie Sang
Kyla Bremner
Sandeep Kumar
Hassan Shahsavan
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Hui Tong, Xiangning Chen, Anna Nepotacheva, Marina Kholod, Irena Olevsky, Aleksandr Osadchuk, Kyomoon Oh, Brian Goorijan, Bodo Andreass, Annika Neukaeter, Maria Israelsson, Vladmir Sher, Serguei Chinkar, Mikhail Barabach, Nikolay Zhuravlev, Victor Kovalenko, Lars Kleppich, Anatoly Babushkin, Miroslav Sipec, Valeriy Timokhin, Tae Ho Uhm, Carlos Garletti, Leonid Zaslavsky
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Cate Campbell
Matt Target
Myriam Glez
Erika Leal-Ramirez
Pietro Figlioli
Sky Kim
Youcef Abdi
Luke Adams
Clinton Hill
Fabrice Lapierre
Eugenia Tanaka
CJ Bruton
Stephen Sutherland
Rob Bell
Torsten Lachmann
Chantal Meek
Laurie Lever
Lucinda Fredericks
Clayton Fredericks
Billy Celeski
Neil Kilkenny
Nikita Rukavytsya
Archie Thompson
Daria Joura
Rachel Imison
Fergus Kavanagh
Maria Pekli
Semir Pepic
Rod Hisholm
Peter Hardcastle
Amy Ives
Dina Aspandiyarova
Stacy Roiall
Lalita Yauhleuskaya
Jian Fang Lay
Miao Miao
Stephanie Sang
Kyla Bremner
Sandeep Kumar
Hassan Shahsavan
Coaches:
Hui Tong, Xiangning Chen, Anna Nepotacheva, Marina Kholod, Irena Olevsky, Aleksandr Osadchuk, Kyomoon Oh, Brian Goorijan, Bodo Andreass, Annika Neukaeter, Maria Israelsson, Vladmir Sher, Serguei Chinkar, Mikhail Barabach, Nikolay Zhuravlev, Victor Kovalenko, Lars Kleppich, Anatoly Babushkin, Miroslav Sipec, Valeriy Timokhin, Tae Ho Uhm, Carlos Garletti, Leonid Zaslavsky
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Having read the article now, the actual tenor of it is that he says how well Australian and Englishmen get on..really...
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No, but here is a list of "Australian" athletes at the 2008 Games
Cate Campbell
Matt Target
Myriam Glez
Erika Leal-Ramirez
Pietro Figlioli
Sky Kim
Youcef Abdi
Luke Adams
Clinton Hill
Fabrice Lapierre
Eugenia Tanaka
CJ Bruton
Stephen Sutherland
Rob Bell
Torsten Lachmann
Chantal Meek
Laurie Lever
Lucinda Fredericks
Clayton Fredericks
Billy Celeski
Neil Kilkenny
Nikita Rukavytsya
Archie Thompson
Daria Joura
Rachel Imison
Fergus Kavanagh
Maria Pekli
Semir Pepic
Rod Hisholm
Peter Hardcastle
Amy Ives
Dina Aspandiyarova
Stacy Roiall
Lalita Yauhleuskaya
Jian Fang Lay
Miao Miao
Stephanie Sang
Kyla Bremner
Sandeep Kumar
Hassan Shahsavan
Cate Campbell
Matt Target
Myriam Glez
Erika Leal-Ramirez
Pietro Figlioli
Sky Kim
Youcef Abdi
Luke Adams
Clinton Hill
Fabrice Lapierre
Eugenia Tanaka
CJ Bruton
Stephen Sutherland
Rob Bell
Torsten Lachmann
Chantal Meek
Laurie Lever
Lucinda Fredericks
Clayton Fredericks
Billy Celeski
Neil Kilkenny
Nikita Rukavytsya
Archie Thompson
Daria Joura
Rachel Imison
Fergus Kavanagh
Maria Pekli
Semir Pepic
Rod Hisholm
Peter Hardcastle
Amy Ives
Dina Aspandiyarova
Stacy Roiall
Lalita Yauhleuskaya
Jian Fang Lay
Miao Miao
Stephanie Sang
Kyla Bremner
Sandeep Kumar
Hassan Shahsavan
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Hui Tong, Xiangning Chen, Anna Nepotacheva, Marina Kholod, Irena Olevsky, Aleksandr Osadchuk, Kyomoon Oh, Brian Goorijan, Bodo Andreass, Annika Neukaeter, Maria Israelsson, Vladmir Sher, Serguei Chinkar, Mikhail Barabach, Nikolay Zhuravlev, Victor Kovalenko, Lars Kleppich, Anatoly Babushkin, Miroslav Sipec, Valeriy Timokhin, Tae Ho Uhm, Carlos Garletti, Leonid Zaslavsky
Hui Tong, Xiangning Chen, Anna Nepotacheva, Marina Kholod, Irena Olevsky, Aleksandr Osadchuk, Kyomoon Oh, Brian Goorijan, Bodo Andreass, Annika Neukaeter, Maria Israelsson, Vladmir Sher, Serguei Chinkar, Mikhail Barabach, Nikolay Zhuravlev, Victor Kovalenko, Lars Kleppich, Anatoly Babushkin, Miroslav Sipec, Valeriy Timokhin, Tae Ho Uhm, Carlos Garletti, Leonid Zaslavsky
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Stop me if I'm wrong, but who actually competes in the event? The athlete or the coach? Oh wait - I do believe it's the athlete. So the nationality of the coach is completely irrelevant.
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Australia enrol poor overseas athletes all the time to bolster their team, especially in those sports where they are crap. The funniest one, was an Algerian long distance runner who was granted Aussie citizenship the day before the 2008 Olympic selection deadline. How convenient....
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