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MartinLuther Feb 26th 2009 10:15 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Sherro (Post 7328275)
I often post in the MBTUK forum as I moved back last year with a view of staying for 12-18 months on a see how it goes.

Well after ten years in Australia I feel like Australia is my home and I have better prospects there due to contacts, coming back to London aged 34 to start again as a sales manager is a tough ask, especially when you don't have those contacts.

Anyway, i enjoy reading peoples posts and putting my two cents in too but lately a select amount of people appear to get quite nasty and bitter when you challenge their rationale about moving back so soon etc.

I also find disappointingly many are extremely negative about the locals, taking a blanket approach to say, Australians assuming they are all thick and uncultured because their land maybe old but only has 250 odd years of western rule and history. Amazingly there are people on there who have lived in 4 or 5 countries and still are not settled yet continue to bad mouth their environment, sounds like a look in the mirror is over due.

I get it, some people really don't like it and feel short changed, and maybe I view the MBTUK forum the wrong way.

I do worry some Brits when they experience life in another country all of a sudden start to vision the UK like some Emily Bronte novel and not the reality of modern day britain, which is great but not wuthering heights.

I am sure many others post in here too, and i am not singling anyone out or saying everyone is like that..

I think it must be like going through a mid-life crisis and it turns out the PYT doesn't do things the way you're used to, doesn't want to do it your way, and worst of all does not hold you in some godlike adoration. Maybe the comfortable old boot wasn't so bad after all.

ABCDiamond Feb 26th 2009 10:23 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by viviennef (Post 7328570)
For a few people (not all)

I think changing countries can cause depression. For many people. then the depression makes the new country seem flat and lifeless - but that is a symptom of depression - even your own country seems like that. Then they think that Australia is to blame, when its just an emotional response to upheaval and uncertainty.

That sounds like the 2nd phase of culture shock...

Emptiness or rejection phase
The newcomer has to deal with transportation problems (buses that don't come on time), shopping problems (can't buy favourite foods) or communication problems.

One may start to seem like people no longer care about your problems.
They may help, but they don't seem to understand your concern over what they see as small problems.

You might even start to think that the people in the host country don't like foreigners and are becoming alien.
The symptoms listed above start to present themselves in full force.
The newcomer may begin to feel aggressive and start to complain about the host culture/country.
However, it is important to recognize that these feelings are real and can become serious.

This phase is a kind of crisis in the 'disease' of culture shock.
It is called the "rejection" phase because it is at this point that the newcomer starts to reject the host country, complaining about and noticing only the bad things that bother them.

At this stage the newcomer may either move on to the third stage, seek comfort with a colony of countrymen “Colony Syndrome” or simply go home.
That 2nd phase is pretty normal and obvious. There are 4 normal phases, with a fifth that only some people get hit with.
I did all 5 !! :D

Sherro Feb 26th 2009 11:08 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 7328342)
Spot on.

yeah thats a fair point i guess. I post because often people ask for help or assistance in terms of relocation hints/tips etc.

But there comes a time when you need to jump from the nest and it could be now :p

viviennef Feb 26th 2009 11:12 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 7328620)
That sounds like the 2nd phase of culture shock...


That 2nd phase is pretty normal and obvious. There are 4 normal phases, with a fifth that only some people get hit with.
I did all 5 !! :D

Where do I read about the 5? is there a link?

Amazulu Feb 26th 2009 11:35 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by The Crow (Post 7328565)
We spent a month travelling around Malaysia on our way out to Australia and just found it a good mix of East & West, still cheap, very friendly, great food, great shopping, interesting history, cheap internal flights to nice beach destinations and plenty of innovation too.

In the past I've travelled a fair bit in Asia - but, for me, Malaysia was the most liveable.

I like Malaysia too and could easily live there, so much so that I've been investigating the job situation there with the mob I work for.

BadgeIsBack Feb 26th 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 7328328)
I post in there.....I am not unhappy.

I will return to live in the UK one day though....that has always been my plan

G

I didn't have you down as unhappy- only that you very rarely post anything positive about Australia(!), which I think is fair - but invariably people tend to take a swing toward one or the other.

Of course, people also say that people are sensitive about liking Australia.

As long as people are fairly positive I don't care - but we had the discussion about positivity as a life philosophy around Christmas! There were people who didn't seem to believe it was possible to be generally a positive person and yet still take a healthy constructive view of the world...even when people (ABC!) told them they had been there and done the negative thing themselves..

The issue with the MBTTUK is a lot of very decent people, but occasionally absolute bitterness and anger surfaces - and then the knives come out in a very self-destructive way.

Pommy Dan Feb 26th 2009 11:49 pm

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by viviennef (Post 7328719)
Where do I read about the 5? is there a link?

here http://www.johnsesl.com/templates/reading/cultureshock/

interesting...

moneypenny20 Feb 27th 2009 12:38 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 7328767)
but invariably people tend to take a swing toward one or the other.

Of course, people also say that people are sensitive about liking Australia.

I have to say I get very irritated by people who can't seem to handle those of us who were very happy in the UK and are just as happy here. I feel they think we're either lying or not entitled to be happy :confused:

MB is a good one to check in and out of (fast) when you're contemplating the move, as someone said, it removes the rose tints, if they were ever on, but don't go there when you're having a down day about the move, when you're suffering PMS or if you've just had an argument with loved ones about the move.

Most of the posters there are brilliant. Like any forum, there is a noisy minority who can't handle anyone disagreeing with them and saying anything remotely negative about the UK. They are the minority though - unless you catch them on PMS week :blink: in which case don't forget your tin hat :lol:

pingpong Feb 27th 2009 12:42 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Sherro (Post 7328275)
I often post in the MBTUK forum as I moved back last year with a view of staying for 12-18 months on a see how it goes.

Well after ten years in Australia I feel like Australia is my home and I have better prospects there due to contacts, coming back to London aged 34 to start again as a sales manager is a tough ask, especially when you don't have those contacts.

Anyway, i enjoy reading peoples posts and putting my two cents in too but lately a select amount of people appear to get quite nasty and bitter when you challenge their rationale about moving back so soon etc.

I also find disappointingly many are extremely negative about the locals, taking a blanket approach to say, Australians assuming they are all thick and uncultured because their land maybe old but only has 250 odd years of western rule and history. Amazingly there are people on there who have lived in 4 or 5 countries and still are not settled yet continue to bad mouth their environment, sounds like a look in the mirror is over due.

I get it, some people really don't like it and feel short changed, and maybe I view the MBTUK forum the wrong way.

I do worry some Brits when they experience life in another country all of a sudden start to vision the UK like some Emily Bronte novel and not the reality of modern day britain, which is great but not wuthering heights.

I am sure many others post in here too, and i am not singling anyone out or saying everyone is like that..

thing is theres only 1/2 dozen people that post in that forum and all say the same thing... a lot. i agree with some of it and disagree with other stuff. if you take them on your gonna get beaten down for saying something so best not to bother.... whatever...

Nu-Shooz Feb 27th 2009 12:50 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 
Everyone gets sensitive about something...unless you're Well Hard!!!:lol:

woof woof

Fleaflyfloflum Feb 27th 2009 12:53 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by pingpong (Post 7328913)
thing is theres only 1/2 dozen people that post in that forum and all say the same thing... a lot. i agree with some of it and disagree with other stuff. if you take them on your gonna get beaten down for saying something so best not to bother.... whatever...

***

Just as much opposing opinions in there as there are in here.

As for getting beaten down. Same applies in here. No different. Just people in a different forum coming from the opposing standpoint to the majority of people in the barbie, but hey, if it makes you all feel superior in some way slagging them off, go for your life.
Is doing that no different to the blanket slagging off Aus you say they do?

Bloody hypocrytes :p

Nu-Shooz Feb 27th 2009 12:55 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 
My back is sensitive, so is my ***hole:rofl:





Oh sorry, off topic.

Fleaflyfloflum Feb 27th 2009 12:57 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Nu-Shooz (Post 7328949)
My back is sensitive, so is my ***hole:rofl:





Oh sorry, off topic.

:rofl::rofl:

But at least its not so hot nowadays :lol:

Nu-Shooz Feb 27th 2009 12:58 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Fleaflyfloflum (Post 7328953)
:rofl::rofl:

But at least its not so hot nowadays :lol:

Oh god no, nothing worse than a stinky sweaty ring piece.


Now we are definatley off topic, naughty girl:p

kporte Feb 27th 2009 1:00 am

Re: Sensitivity in the MBTUK forum
 

Originally Posted by Nu-Shooz (Post 7328957)
Oh god no, nothing worse than a stinky sweaty ring piece.


Now we are definatley off topic, naughty girl:p

what's wrong with your bumholio? vindaloo?;)


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