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Old Sep 18th 2014, 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by bcworld
Don't forget Salmond's home of Moray! No (57.5:42.5)
Oooo!

Kind of says it all doesn't.
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 6:11 pm
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Totally disgusted and ashamed of my countrymen who voted No. Westminster has retained its cash cow and whipping boy. Their promises will disappear, the No voters will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the Yes voters will suffer as well.

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Old Sep 18th 2014, 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Totally disgusted and ashamed of my countrymen who voted No. Westminster has retained its cash cow and whipping boy. There promises will disappear, the No voters will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the Yes voters will suffer as well.
That's democracy. Some win, others lose but the majority accept the decision and society carries on as it should

It's all good
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Probably not. He's still got plenty of socialist shite to spout
Well he should. He's proved once and for all he couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Obnoxious little shite.
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Totally disgusted and ashamed of my countrymen who voted No. Westminster has retained its cash cow and whipping boy. There promises will disappear, the No voters will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the Yes voters will suffer as well.
That's a double edged sword you'd have been saying suck it up to the losing no voters. Your countrymen have done you proud by turning out in their millions to make their decision. My hat would go off to em no matter what
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by bcworld
And so will all the other similar areas...Perth & Kinross, Aberdeenshire, possibly even Eck's homeland of Moray??
Linlithgow has been moved? Moray contains his constituency of Banff and Buchan. The results of the areas around Moray were much stronger No. Let's not forget when this whole thing started in 2011 the Yes polls were down at 15%.

Westminster was stung into action by the strength of the Yes campaign the closer the referendum got (the announcement of the 3 main parties giving a timetable for more devolved powers a fortnight before 18/9); many of those who voted No only did so on the basis of the promise of greater powers for Holyrood over tax, welfare and health etc.

Perhaps the remarkable thing for the UK as one of the BBC academic analysts pointed out is that it has forced Constitutional change in the UK. Cameron's speech specifically said more powers will be given to the Welsh and Northern Ireland assemblies and the West Lothian question will be addressed in England - English voting on matters affecting England. That's the legacy of the Scottish referendum.

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Old Sep 18th 2014, 7:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Totally disgusted and ashamed of my countrymen who voted No. Westminster has retained its cash cow and whipping boy. There promises will disappear, the No voters will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the Yes voters will suffer as well.
Most people don't really know what they will find when they emigrate. You can research and calculate all you want but until you do the deed you can't really know how it will turn out.

During the emigration process it's surprising how many people say stuff like "we were going to do that" or "wish we had done that' or "we may do that". The truth is that only a very small percentage do because it's easier and safer to stick with what they know. The comfort zone.

I think the same is true of this vote. There weren't enough balls up the kilt to risk a new future for the nation. Maybe a lot of balls have already emigrated.

I don't think it's necessarily the wrong decision for those people but it stems from fear of the unknown. A lot would observe that is a sensible thing to do. However if there were a lot more concrete facts and conditions on the table maybe the vote would have been different.

Don't be ashamed of your compatriots as they only did what they considered was best for Scotland.


Now when do we get our Kernow vote?
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A lot would observe that is a sensible thing to do. However if there were a lot more concrete facts and conditions on the table maybe the vote would have been different.
I think that's the point. There was way too much rhetoric about emotion, pride, arrogance, mud slinging (as usual in elections) etc and not enough hard facts as to why it should happen, what would happen and how it would all work.
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 7:17 pm
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Linlithgow has been moved?
I did mean his political home, but carry on.
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
That's a double edged sword you'd have been saying suck it up to the losing no voters. Your countrymen have done you proud by turning out in their millions to make their decision. My hat would go off to em no matter what
spot on

the people have spoken
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 8:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Totally disgusted and ashamed of my countrymen who voted No. Westminster has retained its cash cow and whipping boy. Their promises will disappear, the No voters will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, the Yes voters will suffer as well.
How can you be ashamed of your countrymen, 4 million strangers, just because they don't think the same as you? The process has been democratic and Scotland has spoken. (And a very unsurprising result it was too).
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Old Sep 18th 2014, 10:29 pm
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Old Sep 19th 2014, 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by bcworld
I did mean his political home, but carry on.
Yep, it's just that a lot of people think because he worked in the oil industry in Aberdeen (well as an oil economist for RBS) and has represented Aberdeen East at Westminster and Banff and Buchan at Holyrood that he comes from there.

Full results here: Scottish independence referendum - Results - BBC News

And a couple of images. Giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds was a wise tactic by Salmond as they mostly voted Yes. I guess the image shows how they would be likely to vote more out of passion than with their head as well?



I guess this sums up the feelings of 45%:
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That street scene looks so familiar. So next time I see a Sweaty Sock in a pub banging on about something I can just remind him he is a proud member of the Union and send him home to think again.

I love Scotland - always have done.
This Sassenach has not always had a good welcome north of the border and had been banned from at least one family home but it was all in the name of good times. My wife came of age north of the border - where it is still twilight at midnight..

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Will Salmond **** off now?
Originally Posted by GarryP
Unfortunately no.

With Glasgow only delivering 25k extra "Yes" votes - that's basically it, the "no" lot have won.
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Probably not. He's still got plenty of socialist shite to spout
And he's gone!
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