Originally Posted by cresta57

Indeed, I think we decided this [rusty razor blade] when it happened to my daughter. My views have either mellowed with the passage of time or I've become a grown up able to see the bigger picture. My worry with the far right "Kill 'em all" scenario is that it won't stop with paedophiles. The next group of extremists will want the same for one punch "king hit" deaths, the next for drink drivers & so on & so forth.

Then we end up in a warped Niemöller cliché

First they came for the Paedophiles and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Paedophile
Then they came for the Rapists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Rapist.
Then they came for the Drink Drivers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Drink driver.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Originally Posted by Kapri

No, but our original conversation was about a 40 year old man and a 15 year old, that's wrong whether you like it or not.

I find it very worrying that some people are so obviously in favour of old men and young girls in a sexual relationship. Inadequate men Imo

Originally Posted by Sally Redux

Thanks for sharing a painful experience.



Sex with a 17-year-old is not an example of paedophilia.

Saying that does not make someone 'obviously in favour of old men and young girls in a sexual relationship'. It is simply irrelevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by Kapri

I didn't at any point say it was an example of paedophilia, just that for a lot of people it would be unacceptable.

Something isn't irrelevant to a discussion just because you disagree with it.

Originally Posted by Sally Redux

I can disagree with something, doesn't make it illegal is more to the point.

Originally Posted by Kapri

No, but our original conversation was about a 40 year old man and a 15 year old, that's wrong whether you like it or not.

I find it very worrying that some people are so obviously in favour of old men and young girls in a sexual relationship. Inadequate men Imo

Originally Posted by Kapri

This makes no sense.

I said I found something contemptible, not illegal and you told me my view was irrelevant to the discussion.

I know what is and isn't legal, this discussion hasn't been just about that.

Legal or not, I would find a 40 year old man having sex with a 17 year old girl contemptible.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

That's easily as low as anything you read into my posts

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

...mate if you don't have a problem with 12 yearold girls getting screwed in Mexico then I would suggest you don't have a problem with it full stop

Originally Posted by Kapri

No, but our original conversation was about a 40 year old man and a 15 year old, that's wrong whether you like it or not.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

Yet a lot of Europe would disagree with you: In Austria, Italy and Germany the age of consent is 14; in Sweden, France and Denmark it is 15.

These are not 3rd world countries with a problem like Mexico - It's widely held that the Mexican age of consent was introduced to mask the problem of underage sex - but progressive western democracies where the rights of women are respected.

In terms of social acceptance, it may be considered unsavoury, but it's certainly still very legal.


S

Originally Posted by Sally Redux

Sex with a 17-year-old is not an example of paedophilia.

Saying that does not make someone 'obviously in favour of old men and young girls in a sexual relationship'. It is simply irrelevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by Sally Redux

I think we're getting at cross purposes.

I was simply trying to clarify some issues around paedophilia.

I don't really understand why you're getting angry with me.

Originally Posted by paulry

I agree, the 17/40 year old scenario doesn't seem right - even though it's legal. It would raise my eyebrows and I'd be deeply concerned too if my 17 year old son began a sexual relationship with a 40 year old woman.

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle

Just to add complexity to the issue, there are definitely a fair few 18YO's out there that are less mentality mature and capable than the average 14YO. I think the fixation on chronological age is where this whole age difference thing starts to unravel.

We need a new system.... especially between the ages of 14/19

Originally Posted by Kapri

As I have repeated several times, I am aware it's legal.
There is no one age of consent throughout the world.

But there is a big difference between two 15 olds legally having sex and a 40 year old and a 15 year old having sex.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

I don't agree that we need a new system. An 18 year old should be treated like an adult. There are plenty of vunerable people of all ages. Child abuse laws should be for protecting children. Vulnerable/immature people from other ages groups require special consideration and I believe they currently get that.