ozzieeagle

Very very true, if a very precoucious 14 YO were to front up at a stage door after midnight at a gig in the West End... most likely brought there in a car by a much older boyfriend who would have thought to ask. That did indeed happen a fair bit in the 60's..

This case is obviously very different.

I can remember in/around 1967 at least 2 X 14yo girls that used to run around with 20 yo plus boys in their Zephyrs and Zodiacs, seemingly with parental approval. .... "Scarlett" (whether that was her real name, or legendary name I dont know) even used to wear the supposed tell tale knee high red socks with pride. I can remember as a wide eyed 13 YO looking forwards to the day when I could get a car and drive these precocious girls around... because that was the key back then. I reckon that scenario would have been repeated in suburbs and towns all over the country.

Things were different then though and somehow things seem to have melded over to the totally evil side with the intense microscope of judging hindsight.


Actutally I just recalled....My first Job at Morgan Guaranty when I was 15 turning 16.. There was a 17 yo girl knocking around with lots of different 30 yo's.. That was 1970, She was well and truly experienced way before she started work. Thing is everyone knew and no one really batted an eyelid about the age difference, more about the carrying on in the office.

Gays were the big taboo back then.

Amazulu

Jim fixed it

OzTennis

What fixed it for both of them is:

Fatal flaws in both of them

Fatal flaws in many of their victims (Stars in their eyes?)

Fatal flaws in the system and their employers (well you take their word not their alleged victims don't you?)

I'm still trying to comprehend the logic that it was ok for Jagger, Lennon etc, etc but not for Harris, Saville and Hall??? I put Harris and Hall in a different basket to Saville - the sheer scale and horror (dead bodies????) of his crimes are starting to be revealed.

Today's thought. Which current 'celebrities' will be found out in 20 or 30 years time?

andyrich666

I see the deflection campaign has worked well on you.

ozzieeagle

A well known Christian singer by the looks and fairly soon.

What I dont get, is why it's taken society the best part of 2000 years plus to take action on this kind of thing, a situation that seemingly has been with us since civilisation began.... and before.

Molly Coddle

My thoughts too.

I mean a 14 was still classed as a child in the 1960's right?

So what made it acceptable to take advantage of them back then and why was it allowed to go on.

ozzieeagle

Yes they were, however some youngsters were in full time work at that age taking their place in amongst the adult world at an earlier age than these days.

There was also the perception, as I recall, that the readiness was based more on seemingly maturity than actual years.

I'm going back to my first awareness of this kind of thing and can clearly remember being very surprised at the action of some girls at the same age as me around 13/14 years old.... especially about the freedom and wordliness they appeared to have.... I'm talking about 1966-68... there was also the free love Hippy generation, the Pill and News of the World scandals.

andyrich666

Based on what has been reported the evidence left me sceptical. However, you have to accept that a Jury who deliberated for so long considered all of the evidence and came to the right conclusion. Whatever you feel about the evidence, it has to be said Rolf was leading a very sleazy life cheating on his wife with his daughter's friends so even if you believe some of the relationships were consensual it can't be denied that Rolf put himself in a very morally questionable position. He reaped what he sewed.

One thing that I will say though is that nailing these minor celebrities is merely a way for the authorities to make the public believe something genuine is being done to prevent those in positions of authority abusing their power. The real people who should face justice are those in government, the house of lords and the higher echelons of business. The people who Savile acquired abuse victims for. Minor celebrities are the public face of this, yet the true public enemies have not yet shown their face.

andyrich666

Because it was, listen to this from Rolf involving a 13 yr old girl - 1969

https://audioboo.fm/boos/2292958-rolf-harris-live-1969

Anyway also I reckon Rolf might take his own life. Wouldn't surprise me. 84, reputation in ruins...looking at a possible 2-4 maybe even 10 years inside...even if he were to survive such a stretch, he'd be coming out to probably his wife gone, his house gone, his fortune dwindled, and he'd be in his 90s.

Vexcore

Totally agree! i am gutted and shocked when i found out... use to watch him on 'Animal Hospital' Remember that ?


Should just 'HANG' him.


save us some money.

Molly Coddle

I think the fact that a lot of 14 year old girls who were working amongst adults must have had something to do with them being accepted into the adult world.
But to me it still doesn't make it right for them to be targeted, used/abused in that way. No matter how promiscuous the girl was,is, she's still just a girl and whilst her body might look physically fully developed, their social and emotional development have a long way to go.



I think the problem back in the day was a mixture of; the lack of understanding in society, regarding females social and emotional development, or lack of it.
The fact that 14 year olds were working and socialising amongst adults.
Also the men got away with a lot more back then. Domestic abuse for one wasn't taken as seriously as it is today. Men fancied their chances and as we are seeing and hearing today, most of them got away with it.

ozzieeagle

The other factor from those times, The onus of immorality of some of these more "forward" girls at age 14/15/16 running around with 20+ year olds in cars was definitely leveled at the Girls rather than the boys... Who were just seen as boys being boys.

What a mess and legacy the seemingly freedom of the greatest change a decade has ever seen has left us with now... The "60's"

Before then things like this weren't talked about... When that freedom broke out it was grabbed by every one that could with both hands.... and more, with very little thought for the morality of the situation. One last recall on the situation. I think that in those hazy days of the mid to late 60's these younger girls were far more likely to go off with someone a fair bit older than someone closer to their age, which is another differing factor.


Now comes time to pay.

Molly Coddle

Oh my God!

Even the audience think it's funny! how times have changed huh.


Yeah, I reckon he will top himself too.

Molly Coddle

totally agree.

It went from one extreme to the other.

No one could even talk about sex and then it was suddenly acceptable for everyone to be having it with whoever they liked. They were bound to be repercussions.

cresta57

I did wonder about him on that programme. he seemed way too excited when they were going to look at a young beaver................