QLD the thick state - How true?

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Jul 24th 2009, 12:53 am

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QLD the thick state - How true?

Someone from Brisbane was telling me that QLD comes bottom of the Australian education ranks. Anyone know why and what sort of ranking this is? How good is education resourcing there (cue ABC Stats)?

Jul 24th 2009, 1:02 am

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Someone from Brisbane was telling me that QLD comes bottom of the Australian education ranks. Anyone know why and what sort of ranking this is? How good is education resourcing there (cue ABC Stats)?

If you ask the QTU they will tell you it's not true but they are the lowest paid in Aus.

Jul 24th 2009, 1:16 am

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Anecdotal hearsay on this forum suggests that Qld has the worst education system of all the states. Something I'm a little concerned about.

Jul 24th 2009, 2:43 am

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Mmm...on many occasions i've had the feeling of 'the lights are on but no one is home' sort of thing!

Jul 24th 2009, 2:45 am

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Mmm...on many occasions i've had the feeling of 'the lights are on but no one is home' sort of thing!

That's typical with all Australians.

Jul 24th 2009, 2:47 am

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That's typical with all Australians.

- you've done it now

Jul 24th 2009, 3:00 am

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That's typical with all Australians.

Jul 24th 2009, 3:19 am

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Someone from Brisbane was telling me that QLD comes bottom of the Australian education ranks. Anyone know why and what sort of ranking this is? How good is education resourcing there (cue ABC Stats)?

This is the link for the National Report for last year's NAPLAN results.

http://www.naplan.edu.au/verve/_reso...t_18Dec_v2.pdf

Jul 24th 2009, 5:55 am

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Someone from Brisbane was telling me that QLD comes bottom of the Australian education ranks. Anyone know why and what sort of ranking this is? How good is education resourcing there (cue ABC Stats)?

OK, the first thing that people should look at is the ages, and amount of schooling, that each group tested relates to.

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Each year the NAPLAN tests are carried out for years 3, 5, 7 and 9, and comparison results are publicised for each State.

Here is an example for the 2008 results for year 3

ACT ave age = 8yrs 8mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 421.0 ± 5.9
VIC ave age = 8yrs 9mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 419.9 ± 1.6
NSW ave age = 8yrs 7mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 412.3 ± 1.8
Tas ave age = 8yrs 11mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 401.2 ± 4.9
SA ave age = 8yrs 7mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 400.5 ± 3.3
WA ave age = 8yrs 5mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 386.7 ± 3.1
Qld ave age = 8yrs 1mth : 2yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 371.1 ± 2.6
NT ave age = 8yrs 6mths : 3yrs 4mths schooling: Mean score = 306.6 ± 19.9

Note the difference in age and number of years schooling between Queensland and the rest of the country, combined with the lower score for QLD, when compared to most states.

That may explain why QLD comes 2nd bottom, as the Queensland children tested are normally the youngest for the country, with 1 year less schooling.

However, when you compare the private schools, where they start earlier, you do see different results. I will post those when I locate them, I have them on my site somewhere...

Jul 24th 2009, 5:59 am

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Does QLD have less pupils going on to tertiary education? Or acheiving high results in Yr12?

Jul 24th 2009, 6:00 am

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I knew I would find it after I stopped looking too hard....

2008 NAPLAN year 7. (my daughters year, and showing her school as an example)

Year 7

NUMERACY
557.0 Faith Lutheran College, QLD
556.2 ACT
552.3 VIC
551.3 NSW
544.9 Australian Average
538.8 Qld
536.2 SA
534.0 WA
533.8 Tas
489.3 NT

READING
558.2 ACT
543.0 Vic
543.0 Faith Lutheran College, QLD
542.5 Nsw
536.6 Australian Average
534.2 Tas
533.5 SA
528.1 Qld
527.3 WA
470.9 NT

The Faith Lutheran children have almost all done the same amount of school years as the rest of the country, other than QLD state schools, and do appear to be older on average than QLD State school children for the same years.
Hence the results are much more comparable to the rest of the country.