Beoz

Well he doesn't like the Bushes, so perhaps you might have something in common with him after all

Donald Trump attacks George W. Bush in South Carolina debate

Amazulu

Despite the fact that he is not really right-wing, I've got to admit I quite like Donald Trump. I liked how he got stuck into Jeb's brother, George W. He's certainly not part of the establishment that's for sure - his rise is another sign that the majority that have been duped by the political elite of the west for decades are starting to question and also starting to get angry.......

But like I said, he's not right-wing enough. America and the rest of the free world needs a hard-right hawk in the White House. Someone who is going to sort out their debt, reduce the size of their government, knock islam on its ass, smash Iran and North Korea, stand up to China

Beoz

For sure, that said the Bushes are easy targets with their track record. It's nice to see someone with a voice take them down.

GarryP

That debate really was attack of the zombies. The audience were booing facts. How off the deep end do you have to be to boo facts?

The funny thing is, Trump attacked tweedledumber in the heartland of support for him and the war in Iraq - and obviously got booed as a result. From the point of view of a salesman, that's a strange move - pissing off the rabid GOP voters just before a vote. My guess is the attack on Dubya, and on Jeb! is targeted on 'super tuesday' (1st March) - where I'd guess trump wants to smack down his opponents in a hard way. The fact that Jeb! was the target makes me think he wants him out before he can have a resurgence in the south.

Not sure who Trump is paying to deliver an optimised strategy, nor how much - but you have to admit, they are lining up the game at least two moves ahead of the other bozos. He isn't authentic, he's lying through his teeth, but it's a finely honed Blitzkrieg of bullsh*t.

Beoz

Really .... no way ... I thought he was for real ..... and the real deal

GarryP

Thing is, some people, many people even, do think he's for real - not least of which the bigots who's views he's aping to get selected.

As I say, that he's taken seriously is the bigger problem.

And in the vein of not taking him seriously :

http://trumpdonald.org/

Beoz

Well Garry, as you have such a soft spot for Republicans, and centre politics, I can see you taking this all the way.

You know what, just maybe, he might make a good Pres. Ouch oh no come the cries.

After all, you can put the blow dryer to his hair, much the same as you can with Boris Johnson, and look what London got, a near faultless mayor.

I wonder.

GarryP

See, I think you are missing something here. If you accept that he's lying his head off - by definition that means he's less far right that the other repub bozos.

So closer to sanity, and to me, possibly even someone who would fit in the democrats (lite right).

Nope. Problems are

1. he's a out and out liar - so you can't trust anything he says.
2. he's an egotistical narcissist, a mental disorder. As such he would do things that were good for him, rather than the country/world AND he would be so easy to bait into doing stupid things. In fact I wonder that the other repub candidates haven't realised that they could manoeuvre him into cutting his own throat (OK, I'm not surprised, they aren't really that smart).

Faultless????

Internationally risible f**kup, more like. And remember, Boris is smarter and less ego driven than Trump, running just a city.

Beoz

1. I think its time you got over the politician liar thing. They all do it. Most know it. So whilst we talk about Boris lets have a look at Ken http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/london-mayor-election/9192137/Boris-Johnson-versus-Ken-Livingstone-who-has-the-killer-punch.html

Good old left wing tax dodging Ken.

2. Perhaps those traits is why he's been successful in business. And perhaps that's the type of business head you need running a country. Just perhaps Garry.

GarryP

Successful in business? He had a casino go bankrupt, now that takes (-ve) business savvy. And how did he get his start in business? He pulled himself up by his bootstraps, the $200mn inheritance had nothing to do with it...

He's a salesman, not a businessman.

Beaverstate

Going bankrupt is a business strategy. Paul Allen (microsoft) has used it as have many others. Right or wrong...a legal procedure. It is not total but structured bankruptcy. Disclaimer I do not give a shhet about the Donald.

Beoz

Put your $$$$ on the line enough something aint going to work out. At least he's done it before experience counts.

Look at the last Oz PM. Could not sell a thing. So what do we want. A seller or not .... hhmmm lessons learned I think.

GarryP

Some who still has a passing acquaintance with truth and reality ?

OK, since you ask, what we need (or the US for that matter) is someone that's not a career paid liar, that can deal with the reality of what the data says, accept it, see the big picture, then make reasoned strategic direction from it.

What's needed is not someone with mental issues, and someone who wants the job not because they want to be cock-of-the-hill, but because they realise they are needed to fix the f**king mess that most countries are in.

Oh, and who are not career politicians either.

You'd have thought if you put that job ad out there, you'd be able to find at least some qualified applicants.

Beoz

Good luck finding that.

I've never seen a perfect leader therefore it helps to look beyond the big blow dry hair and big ears.

Amazulu

I thought that the basic idea is that ANYONE who is eligible can become president of the USA?

Bankruptcy? A non-issue. Winston Churchill only avoided bankruptcy by the skin if his teeth because his banker mates bailed him out. He went on to be one of the greatest statesmen that has ever lived
Successful/unsuccessful businessman? A non-issue. Were Merkel/Thatcher/Clinton/Mandela/whoever successful/unsuccessful business people?

All I see is democracy in action. Yes, it's flawed but there is no better system

The people will decide