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Old Sep 4th 2009 | 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
I have considered putting a sand filter between the pump and the cartridge filter. Getting the best of both worlds, but not sure if any complications would occur.

Another problem with the cartridge is the chance of the paper tearing, and then being useless.
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.

I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag!
 
Old Sep 4th 2009 | 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by kporte
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Old Sep 4th 2009 | 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Wol
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.

I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag!
My cartridge filter paper doesn't look very strong, although I haven't seen any tears yet, but the instructions tell me to look for them when cleaning it, just in case.

I think it is the advised filter cleaning method that gets to some:

1) Turn Pump Off

2) Remove the cartridge filter from the filter's housing.

3) Use a garden hose to with a straight flow nozzle to wash down the filter cartridge. Work from the top down, cleaning both the inside and outside. Hold the angle of the spray at a 45 degree angle for best results. Clean in between all the pleats. Be careful not to drive the dirt deeper into the filter, clogging it up.

4) Rinse and repeat until all the dirt & debris is gone.

5) If the filter cartridge is still dirty then soak the filter cartridge overnight in a solution of one cup of dishwashing liquid to 20 litres of water.

6) Rinse the filter cartridge again, repeat 2-4 again if needed.

7) If the filter cartridge has a coating of Algae, calcium carbonate (residue from calcium hypochlorite), iron or any other minerals, soak the filter cartridge in a solution of one part muriatic acid to twenty parts water until the bubbling stops. WARNING: Failure to remove all oils and cleaning solutions from steps 2-5 above could result in the permanent restriction of water flow through your cartridge filter resulting in a partial or complete failure of your cartridge filter.

8) Rinse the cartridge filter completely and replace it within the filter's housing as per manufacturer's instructions.

9) Turn pump back on
Compared to a sand filter...
1) Turn pump off.
2) Turn handle to backwash,
3) Turn Pump on
4) Have coffee
5) Turn Pump off
6) Turn handle back to Normal
7) Turn pump on
 
Old Sep 4th 2009 | 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Wol
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.

I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag!
We've just replaced a sand filter with a cartridge filter - despite some advice or working experience to the contrary.

I did it on the basis that at least with a cartridge filter I can deal directly with the cartridge, fix it, repair it, replace it - rinse it - and remove it for floccing. We also have a lot of gunk in the pool from trees so it's something we just have to deal with. Floccing the pool (removing the cartridge) is an easy job and solves 99pc of our problems with organic product.

My sand filter was hard to access, and backwashed sand back in to the pool - to be fair - I realise now the switchgear was stuffed and it might have been a simpler option to address this. On the other hand, replacing sand was a pain.
 
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
My cartridge filter paper doesn't look very strong, although I haven't seen any tears yet, but the instructions tell me to look for them when cleaning it, just in case.

I think it is the advised filter cleaning method that gets to some:



Compared to a sand filter...
Point taken - but for me - I like to know I have cleaned the filter.

At the time, the issue I was having with sand in the pool was doing my nut in - and our deck interfered with the lever on the switch gear.
 
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Originally Posted by viviennef
I use a sock - apparently sand filters are better because they break down the little particles rather than just store them in the filter - where they block. so a cartridge one is like an accordian of filter paper and the scum just sits on the paper where in a sand one it jiggles about and the particles move through it.

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Blankets are a pain - for us - because we have an above ground pool where the blanket fouls the metal surround and makes rolling a nightmare and 2 man job. But we can't afford to lose water from the pool during evaporation and this is the single most important water issue.

There was some great advice a year or so where the person indicated that the bit of sand in a sand filter doing the work was the bit at the top - and that removal of this section did the trick.

I also have used a sock in the past, and if I didn't wash it out every week it would get full of gunk - well - until I met my wife, that is. Then I had no use for the sock.
 
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Originally Posted by Wol
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.

I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag!
They are the norm in SA too. I recently replaced a sand filter that was at least 25 years old, and it was still working well. I replaced it because the pump motor had seized and I decided to upgrade the whole setup. Using Zeobrite instead of sand is the way to go.

The only maintenance needed on a sand filter is regular backwashing - easy peasy.
 
Old Sep 4th 2009 | 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Wol
I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. !
I was interested in that bit, so tried to see which filter was most popular in the States, also a country with many Pools...

One US Pool web site said:
Sand pool filters are the oldest and most popular type of pool filters
and another:
Pool cartridge filters are more popular
 
Old Sep 4th 2009 | 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
I was interested in that bit, so tried to see which filter was most popular in the States, also a country with many Pools...

One US Pool web site said:

and another:


You *really* should get out more <g>.

I think a lot of the problems people have is because they don't plan the vegetation around their pools: no filtration system is designed to cope with more than a small amount of leaves, grass clippings etc. We certainly planned our pool cage to have only palms and plants that weren't deciduous and rarely had to clear more than the odd leaf from the skimmer. Filters are designed to remove the microscopic bits that make the water slightly cloudy, not great lumps of organic material!
 
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Originally Posted by Wol
You *really* should get out more <g>.

I think a lot of the problems people have is because they don't plan the vegetation around their pools: no filtration system is designed to cope with more than a small amount of leaves, grass clippings etc. We certainly planned our pool cage to have only palms and plants that weren't deciduous and rarely had to clear more than the odd leaf from the skimmer. Filters are designed to remove the microscopic bits that make the water slightly cloudy, not great lumps of organic material!
That's all well and good when building and planning your house but when you buy a house on acreage with a fairly steep slope, you have to build a pool where you can. We didn't really have a choice and we're certainly not chopping down a few hundred trees just to avoid cleaning the filters
 
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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
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