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Pool filters?
Anybody had a cartridge filter and changed to sand? I am contemplating this as my cartridge filters are not up to our leafy pool.
I don't want to cut the trees down by the way, our possums live there. |
Re: Pool filters?
Doesn't your skimmer box basket catch your leaves?
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Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by showdan
(Post 7895864)
Doesn't your skimmer box basket catch your leaves?
I thought the sand would be less work? |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7895870)
It does if I empty that and the leaf eater 3 times a day. The filters are meant to last 18 months but mines are stuffed after 6 and I'm over spending 300 bucks every six months and even more over cleaning the filters 3 times a week. It's doing my head in. They lose suction when the pressure goes and the kreepy stops...
I thought the sand would be less work? |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 7896070)
Is your pool not worth the graft?
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Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7896086)
Yes but I would prefer to create more loafing opportunites if at all possible. It's Un-Australian not to.
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Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by spartacus
(Post 7896099)
How very patriotic.
If I can be bothered..... |
Re: Pool filters?
I used to have a cartirdge filter and it was a complete pain.
Since changing to sand I couldnt be happier. just do it..... its SOOO much easier. :D |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by DadAgain
(Post 7896118)
I used to have a cartirdge filter and it was a complete pain.
Since changing to sand I couldnt be happier. just do it..... its SOOO much easier. :D |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7896127)
Ta! Should be getting a quote sometime this avvo...
Cartridge filters are too much work.... |
Re: Pool filters?
Get a filter with Zeobrite as an alternative to sand. Apparently it cleans the water better and requires less backwashing. I recently replaced our 25yo old system that had packed with a new Hayward (?) pump, motor and filter setup. It cost about $1700 installed (required a lot of work).
New setup works very well. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 7896238)
Get a filter with Zeobrite as an alternative to sand. Apparently it cleans the water better and requires less backwashing. I recently replaced our 25yo old system that had packed with a new Hayward (?) pump, motor and filter setup. It cost about $1700 installed (required a lot of work).
New setup works very well. Does it rinse the sand or something? JTL |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by JackTheLad
(Post 7896924)
Always wondered, as I have a sandfilter. What the hell is the 'Backwash' setting. I've never used it, I assumed it was for when your pool was overflowing from rain.
Does it rinse the sand or something? JTL |
Re: Pool filters?
I fail to see how changing to a sand filter would have any effect on leaves clogging the thing up.
I've never had a sand filter but cartridge ones are dead easy to keep clean - snap off the cover and hose them down - all of a minute's work. No sand conditioning, backwashing, juggling valves......... |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7899850)
I fail to see how changing to a sand filter would have any effect on leaves clogging the thing up.
I've never had a sand filter but cartridge ones are dead easy to keep clean - snap off the cover and hose them down - all of a minute's work. No sand conditioning, backwashing, juggling valves......... |
Re: Pool filters?
My hubby works with pools and says the skimmer box would still need to be emptied, but the alternative to sand which is ground glass is much better if you can afford it. ;)
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Re: Pool filters?
Leaves drove us up the wall with our pool as well - we have sand filter. We eventually removed all the offending plants and planted better pool friendly species as replacements.
We should have done it years before - was so much better!!!! Obviously not everyone has/wants this option. |
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I use sand filter and its great...All I do with my pool is clean out the filters now and again, backwash and rinse and job done...Back to other duties.
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Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7900001)
The pressure drops very quickly on cartridge. Do you have to clean yours 3-4 times a week? And buy new ones every 4-6 months?
I only had to clean the cartridge about every six months and never replaced it in six years. The water was sparkling. We used an automatic chlorine cake dispenser. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7902355)
This was in the States - I don't have a pool here in Oz (It's too cold)
I only had to clean the cartridge about every six months and never replaced it in six years. The water was sparkling. We used an automatic chlorine cake dispenser. Bliss! Where abouts in the States did you live Wol? |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7902360)
Bliss! Where abouts in the States did you live Wol?
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Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7902366)
Bonita Springs, near Naples, Fl.
Picked up a sand filter for my pool size for $750 all up, sand and fittings. Will fit it myself, having had a look it is very straightforward. I will see how it runs, thanks all.:thumbsup: |
Re: Pool filters?
I have had a pool less than a month and have a good cartridge filter (apparently) but already its a huge problem and I am going to have to get a sand one. According to the man who came today to try help me work out what was going on and why I keep getting no flow messages.
Cant chop the trees down because they are council owned. Anyone got a leaf eater? Are they worth it? My filter is full of brown slime from the pollen of my olives and mangos and the council ones that have nice red flowers later on in the year God its hard here |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by viviennef
(Post 7903677)
I have had a pool less than a month and have a good cartridge filter (apparently) but already its a huge problem and I am going to have to get a sand one. According to the man who came today to try help me work out what was going on and why I keep getting no flow messages.
Cant chop the trees down because they are council owned. Anyone got a leaf eater? Are they worth it? My filter is full of brown slime from the pollen of my olives and mangos and the council ones that have nice red flowers later on in the year God its hard here |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7899850)
I fail to see how changing to a sand filter would have any effect on leaves clogging the thing up.
I've never had a sand filter but cartridge ones are dead easy to keep clean - snap off the cover and hose them down - all of a minute's work. No sand conditioning, backwashing, juggling valves......... |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 7903715)
Couldn't agree more. We're on acreage and have millions (maybe slight exaggeration) of trees but we only have to empty the skimmer box once a day in weather like it is at the moment - very dry and windy. We do use socks in the skimmer box but him outdoors only has to rinse out the filters once every few months. Can't see how a sand filter would be different - the leaves will still block it up won't they?
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Re: Pool filters?
I use a sock - apparently sand filters are better because they break down the little particles rather than just store them in the filter - where they block. so a cartridge one is like an accordian of filter paper and the scum just sits on the paper where in a sand one it jiggles about and the particles move through it.
I am going to get a blanket but they look so unsightly I think, my life is far to short to be pulling a filter out every other day though. thanks kporte, I think I will get a leaf eater - was looking at them and couldnt decide. Vivienne |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by viviennef
(Post 7903735)
I use a sock - apparently sand filters are better because they break down the little particles rather than just store them in the filter - where they block. so a cartridge one is like an accordian of filter paper and the scum just sits on the paper where in a sand one it jiggles about and the particles move through it.
I am going to get a blanket but they look so unsightly I think, my life is far to short to be pulling a filter out every other day though. thanks kporte, I think I will get a leaf eater - was looking at them and couldnt decide. Vivienne |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by viviennef
(Post 7903735)
I use a sock - apparently sand filters are better because they break down the little particles rather than just store them in the filter - where they block. so a cartridge one is like an accordian of filter paper and the scum just sits on the paper where in a sand one it jiggles about and the particles move through it.
I am going to get a blanket but they look so unsightly I think, my life is far to short to be pulling a filter out every other day though. thanks kporte, I think I will get a leaf eater - was looking at them and couldnt decide. Vivienne |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7903746)
Yes I believe that the sand doesn't filter as finely as the cartridge and this means more problems with a leafier pool with the cartridge. There is no question that sand is less work, for sure.
Another problem with the cartridge is the chance of the paper tearing, and then being useless. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
(Post 7906033)
I have considered putting a sand filter between the pump and the cartridge filter. Getting the best of both worlds, but not sure if any complications would occur.
Another problem with the cartridge is the chance of the paper tearing, and then being useless. I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag! |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by kporte
(Post 7895859)
I don't want to cut the trees down by the way, our possums live there.
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Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7906058)
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.
I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag! I think it is the advised filter cleaning method that gets to some: 1) Turn Pump Off 2) Remove the cartridge filter from the filter's housing. 3) Use a garden hose to with a straight flow nozzle to wash down the filter cartridge. Work from the top down, cleaning both the inside and outside. Hold the angle of the spray at a 45 degree angle for best results. Clean in between all the pleats. Be careful not to drive the dirt deeper into the filter, clogging it up. 4) Rinse and repeat until all the dirt & debris is gone. 5) If the filter cartridge is still dirty then soak the filter cartridge overnight in a solution of one cup of dishwashing liquid to 20 litres of water. 6) Rinse the filter cartridge again, repeat 2-4 again if needed. 7) If the filter cartridge has a coating of Algae, calcium carbonate (residue from calcium hypochlorite), iron or any other minerals, soak the filter cartridge in a solution of one part muriatic acid to twenty parts water until the bubbling stops. WARNING: Failure to remove all oils and cleaning solutions from steps 2-5 above could result in the permanent restriction of water flow through your cartridge filter resulting in a partial or complete failure of your cartridge filter. 8) Rinse the cartridge filter completely and replace it within the filter's housing as per manufacturer's instructions. 9) Turn pump back on 1) Turn pump off. 2) Turn handle to backwash, 3) Turn Pump on 4) Have coffee 5) Turn Pump off 6) Turn handle back to Normal 7) Turn pump on |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7906058)
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.
I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag! I did it on the basis that at least with a cartridge filter I can deal directly with the cartridge, fix it, repair it, replace it - rinse it - and remove it for floccing. We also have a lot of gunk in the pool from trees so it's something we just have to deal with. Floccing the pool (removing the cartridge) is an easy job and solves 99pc of our problems with organic product. My sand filter was hard to access, and backwashed sand back in to the pool - to be fair - I realise now the switchgear was stuffed and it might have been a simpler option to address this. On the other hand, replacing sand was a pain. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
(Post 7906073)
My cartridge filter paper doesn't look very strong, although I haven't seen any tears yet, but the instructions tell me to look for them when cleaning it, just in case.
I think it is the advised filter cleaning method that gets to some: Compared to a sand filter... At the time, the issue I was having with sand in the pool was doing my nut in - and our deck interfered with the lever on the switch gear. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by viviennef
(Post 7903735)
I use a sock - apparently sand filters are better because they break down the little particles rather than just store them in the filter - where they block. so a cartridge one is like an accordian of filter paper and the scum just sits on the paper where in a sand one it jiggles about and the particles move through it.
Vivienne There was some great advice a year or so where the person indicated that the bit of sand in a sand filter doing the work was the bit at the top - and that removal of this section did the trick. I also have used a sock in the past, and if I didn't wash it out every week it would get full of gunk - well - until I met my wife, that is. Then I had no use for the sock. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7906058)
That just doesn't happen - it's as strong as hardboard.
I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. To keep a sand filter working well takes quite a lot of work, I'm told, and some of the shonky set-ups I saw when I was househunting made me gag! The only maintenance needed on a sand filter is regular backwashing - easy peasy. |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7906058)
I can't understand the obsession with sand filters here - it's a long outdated way of filtering and it's only in Australia it is so common. !
One US Pool web site said: Sand pool filters are the oldest and most popular type of pool filters Pool cartridge filters are more popular |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
(Post 7906184)
I was interested in that bit, so tried to see which filter was most popular in the States, also a country with many Pools...
One US Pool web site said: and another: :D I think a lot of the problems people have is because they don't plan the vegetation around their pools: no filtration system is designed to cope with more than a small amount of leaves, grass clippings etc. We certainly planned our pool cage to have only palms and plants that weren't deciduous and rarely had to clear more than the odd leaf from the skimmer. Filters are designed to remove the microscopic bits that make the water slightly cloudy, not great lumps of organic material! |
Re: Pool filters?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 7906425)
You *really* should get out more <g>.
I think a lot of the problems people have is because they don't plan the vegetation around their pools: no filtration system is designed to cope with more than a small amount of leaves, grass clippings etc. We certainly planned our pool cage to have only palms and plants that weren't deciduous and rarely had to clear more than the odd leaf from the skimmer. Filters are designed to remove the microscopic bits that make the water slightly cloudy, not great lumps of organic material! |
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