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Old Oct 18th 2011, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by saveme View Post
But wouldn't those Indians who were 'just off the boat' here, have already been cooking all their lives in India? Unless of course 'real' Indian cooking is not as good as British Indian cooking but still better than Australian Indian cooking?

Imagine if you had to go to Delhi or Mumbai to get the best 'English' fish and chips!?
Have you been to India, rural areas as well as cities, and tried the food there?
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I actually agree with your last sentence. That is the way I feel too. In fact, on Monday night, after a very good (as usual) red chicken curry, cooked by 'real' Thais (I think.), I then had Twix for dessert. Now, I really enjoyed that Twix too (and I dunked it unashamedly in my coffee!)

But to me it tasted like a Twix. It may taste different in the UK but I can't remember.

Apparently, however, there ARE British people living here, who, as soon as they taste that first bite of Twix, Mars, Milky Bar, whatever, even after fifty years here, spit it out. 'Pah, call that chocolate! It's not a bar (sic) on ENGLISH chocolate.
Now I do have the answer to the chocolate taste difference. I was at the Cadbury factory in Tasmania a couple of weeks ago and asked why British and Australian Cadbury taste different (I'm love the Australian one because I'm an Aussie) and apparently it's because in Australia they use Sugar Cane and Britain uses Sugar Beet in their recipe.
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Old Oct 18th 2011, 10:25 pm
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Originally Posted by bingobob777 View Post
So people can't remember how good something was?

The best ever Chicken & Cashew Nuts came from the Chinese where I grew up, the best salt n pepper chicken wings where I had my first flat and the best Curry from the Dhabba in Glasgow City centre. None of these was my best meal ever, that was at Il Jardino in Pollensa.

I think it's ridiculous that you don't believe people can compare how something tastes to something they ate in the past.
You misunderstand my point. I've had memorable meals all over the world and I enjoyed my food when I lived in the UK BUT can no longer remember what things tasted like there compared to here.

When I first came back to Sydney in December 2008, I went to Woolies in Revesby a couple of times, and thought, 'this is not much cop compared to ASDA in Totton (Hants.) Now when I go into Woolies or Coles, they are just another supermarket, the same the world over and I can't remember what it was I liked about ASDA & Waitrose.

Some people are different but I still can't understand they can retain this memory of what made Tesco so good, decades after they leave the UK!

Mind you, I only go to shops of any kind when I need something, and whilst I enjoy window shopping as much as anyone, a supermarket is the last place I'd go to do it, let alone go with a list of prices at Tesco & Asda, downloaded from the internet, converted to $AUD, and then compared in minute detail to Coles & Woolies.
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Old Oct 18th 2011, 10:31 pm
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Originally Posted by bingobob777 View Post
Everyone knows the answer to this, why be obtuse?

My definition of the best Indian food is different from Mr Singh of Hydrabad.

Indian restaurant food in the UK bears little resemblance to what people eat in India, and it's much the same here.

So you have UK Indian food, Australian Indian Food and Indian Food. All different. Just the same way a Scottish chippie serves you totally different stuff than an Australian chippie.
I'm grateful for your insight. I understand now, that when someone goes back to the UK and says something like 'Thank God, I can get a decent curry now,' all they are doing is remembering the English version which they prefer?

In fact, there must be many Aussies living in the UK, who come back here and say much the same thing, 'Thank God, I can get a decent curry again, I'm sick of that Pommie rubbish.'
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Old Oct 18th 2011, 10:35 pm
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Now I do have the answer to the chocolate taste difference. I was at the Cadbury factory in Tasmania a couple of weeks ago and asked why British and Australian Cadbury taste different (I'm love the Australian one because I'm an Aussie) and apparently it's because in Australia they use Sugar Cane and Britain uses Sugar Beet in their recipe.
That's interesting, thanks. I've never been to a chocolate factory before though I remember one that used to exist in the back streets of Redfern, between Pitt & George Sts. It had a very distinctive aroma wafting about the streets too.

I've never been to Tassie either which is pretty shameful considering how long I've been here. Does it look much like the rest of Australia or is there more of an 'English' ambience?
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Old Oct 18th 2011, 10:38 pm
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Have you been to India, rural areas as well as cities, and tried the food there?
No, I've never been anywhere on the Sub-continent, apart from refuelling stops back in the days when the planes made two stops between UK & OZ.
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That's interesting, thanks. I've never been to a chocolate factory before though I remember one that used to exist in the back streets of Redfern, between Pitt & George Sts. It had a very distinctive aroma wafting about the streets too.

I've never been to Tassie either which is pretty shameful considering how long I've been here. Does it look much like the rest of Australia or is there more of an 'English' ambience?
Tasmania is lovely. It's natural terrain is a lot like the the south Coast of Western Australia when it was untouched, but the buildings are a mix of old English and Colonial Australia. Lots of nice local food products to try. Because it's so small you can hire a car and see a lot of the state in a very short time. Tasmanians a very friendly and it's like going back in time to how Australia used to be thirty years ago. If it wasn't for the kids schooling we'd probably move to Launceston for a couple of years.
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In fact, there must be many Aussies living in the UK, who come back here and say much the same thing, 'Thank God, I can get a decent curry again, I'm sick of that Pommie rubbish.'
I'm sure there are, and that is their right. Doesn't make anybody right or wrong, It is called personal preference...
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Originally Posted by bingobob777 View Post
Everyone knows the answer to this, why be obtuse?

My definition of the best Indian food is different from Mr Singh of Hydrabad.

Indian restaurant food in the UK bears little resemblance to what people eat in India, and it's much the same here.

So you have UK Indian food, Australian Indian Food and Indian Food. All different. Just the same way a Scottish chippie serves you totally different stuff than an Australian chippie.
Precisely. There was another thread on the same thing recently but it was chinese food being compared.

Hubs has actually considered asking his sister to stop enroute to the airport when we go back to the UK and greet him at the gate with a chipper supper!
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I've had a decent curry here at Spicy Bites in Cairns (Indian - Thai is usually better for some reason). Certainly agree curry is delicious at even the cheapest joints in India, Nepal and Sri Lanka. I think the difference in London was the number of ruby houses - they have to make a bit more effort to attract customers and retain them. I've had a few comedy curries in Oz which have been so disappointing we fell about laughing. There's no region of India to which they were authentic. I think restaurants will serve what they can get away with and still make money. There is a positive side however as I've come on leaps and bounds with my own Indian cooking.

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I've had a decent curry here at Spicy Bites in Cairns (Indian - Thai is usually better for some reason). Certainly agree curry is delicious at even the cheapest joints in India, Nepal and Sri Lanka. I think the difference in London was the number of ruby houses - they have to make a bit more effort to attract customers and retain them. I've had a few comedy curries in Oz which have been so disappointing we fell about laughing. There's no region of India to which they were authentic. I think restaurants will serve what they can get away with and still make money. There is a positive side however as I've come on leaps and bounds with my own Indian cooking.
I had a fantastic curry up in Caloundra a couple of weeks back at the 'Indiyum' restaurant. Crap name but great food. They have a Facebook page . . . http://www.facebook.com/pages/Indiyu...7083373?v=info

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Tasmania is lovely. It's natural terrain is a lot like the the south Coast of Western Australia when it was untouched, but the buildings are a mix of old English and Colonial Australia. Lots of nice local food products to try. Because it's so small you can hire a car and see a lot of the state in a very short time. Tasmanians a very friendly and it's like going back in time to how Australia used to be thirty years ago. If it wasn't for the kids schooling we'd probably move to Launceston for a couple of years.
The south coast of WA is still untouched, only has a few colonial buildings in comparison with Tasmania. Lots of great local produce, too.
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I've had a decent curry here at Spicy Bites in Cairns (Indian - Thai is usually better for some reason). Certainly agree curry is delicious at even the cheapest joints in India, Nepal and Sri Lanka. I think the difference in London was the number of ruby houses - they have to make a bit more effort to attract customers and retain them. I've had a few comedy curries in Oz which have been so disappointing we fell about laughing. There's no region of India to which they were authentic. I think restaurants will serve what they can get away with and still make money. There is a positive side however as I've come on leaps and bounds with my own Indian cooking.
Spicy Bites is great. There's a van vendor called Flavours of India roaming around up north that does a mean curry too. They'll be at the Tablelands Folk Festival this weekend.

It may actually be better not to call the Indian food in British Indian restaurants Indian food at all, if that makes any sense. I've eaten food all over India and it is all completely different to British Indian food. The chickens are a lot skinnier to start with, and the meat tends to be goat rather than lamb, and the sauces tend to be more yogurt and less cream and in India the basic restaurants use a lot of dried spices rather than fresh or pastes.

I've also encountered the situation where one of the chefs in a big hotel in Bangalore was actually brought in from Britain to cook Indian food the way the British like it.

And even weirder, the best british food I've ever had was in the Fairlawn Hotel in Calcutta, where they've been cooking the same traditional "straight out of Mrs Beeton" british food since 1870.
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Originally Posted by Kim67 View Post
Now I do have the answer to the chocolate taste difference. I was at the Cadbury factory in Tasmania a couple of weeks ago and asked why British and Australian Cadbury taste different (I'm love the Australian one because I'm an Aussie) and apparently it's because in Australia they use Sugar Cane and Britain uses Sugar Beet in their recipe.
Sound like BS to me. I heard the Aussie Cadbury has ingredients to prevent it melting at the higher temperatures it will be exposed to in Aus.
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