Re: Osama Bin Laden, Dead
 

He had a very public and extremely well documented life. To suggest that he never existed is simply ridiculous.

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Agreed! Stop being a prat Dean :p

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George Orwell got it 100% spot on in 1984. 25 or so years out but right in every other respect.

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Did you ever meet him? It's amazing what can be manufactured. Intelligence agencies do it all the time. (BTW I'm not saying he didn't exist)

And we all trust the information on Wikipedia...

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Other possibilities of Bin Laden's demise:

"Infowars.org has reported that one former Bin Laden affiliate says that the corpse of Bin Laden has been “on ice” for nearly a decade, with government officials awaiting an opportune moment to disclose the details of his death. They say that former Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik confirmed the death of Bin Laden back in 2002 and that the video of the al-Qaeda leader taking credit for the September 11 attacks was a hoax used to manipulate the public in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist attack."

"A newswire issued by the ANI news agency cites a Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) statement that also denies reports that Bin Laden was killed, and the Afghan Taliban has denounced such allegations as well. Retired Brig. and Ex Chief of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Hameed Gul says that "The statements by the Americans don’t seem a reality, in the visuals of Osama, he seems much younger and they claim that no American was killed in the helicopter crash, I doubt all this. Obama is a smart person, this is a great start to his election campaign. The time is tough for Pakistan now.""

"Syed Munawar Hasan, a member of parliament for Ameer Jamat-e-Islami, is telling the media that the US’ false claim nothing other than propaganda directed against Pakistan"

"Former CIA official Robert Baer confirming his death in 2008, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf’s assumption that he had passed in 2002 and even Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2003 announcement that she believed President George W Bush was waiting for a politically expedient moment to speak about the capture of Bin Laden."

http://rt.com/usa/news/bin-laden-photos-us/

So just who is telling the truth?

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Who cares?

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

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Unfortunately not. Our social calendars never seemed to match.

Bin Laden was met and personally interviewed by a number of international journalists throughout his interesting career. He was a well known member of the Saudi royal family. Not easy to "manufacture" that kind of evidence.

We do when it is independently verified, which in this case it is.

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No he wasn't

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Just as it is preposterous to believe there is no such thing as a conspiracy it is equally as preposterous to believe every event is one

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Witness Protection Services manage it.

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I saw that. Metternich is certainly giving them a run for their money. :thumbup:

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He was wrong about the cheap gin. :thumbup:

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Indeed. Witness protection will create a person's new identity with complete, verifiable backstory.

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Infowars.org is a conspiracy theorist nuthouse and Pieczenik is a conspiracy theorist nut. He was in no position to make authoritative statements about the death or wheareabouts of Bin Laden in 2002, and offered no evidence to support his claim. The video in which Bin Laden took responsibility for the 9.11 attacks

No evidence to support this claim; no credibility. It's pretty much what we'd expect the Taliban to say.

The Americans did not release any visuals of Osama, so this is just more nonsense. No evidence to refute the official version of events; no credibility.

Pretty much what we'd expect from an anti-American Pakistani politician. No evidence to refute the official version of events; no credibility.

Baer did not confirm the death of Bin Laden at any time. In 2008 he wrote an article for Time magazine (here) which merely speculated about Bin Laden's status. He began by saying:

Thus Baer accepted that Bin Laden was still alive in 2008. His concluded his article with the following words:

This is more speculation. It is not confirmation of Bin Laden's death.

An assumption is not confirmation of anything. This is what Musharraf said:

(Source).

Again, more speculation. Musharraf did not claim that Bin Laden was dead, and he offered no confirmation that this was the case.

Again, more speculation. Bush left office in abject humilitation, having totally failed to capture Bin Laden. Albright's hypothesis was incorrect.

http://rt.com/usa/news/bin-laden-photos-us/

So just who is telling the truth?[/QUOTE]

Just for a change, I'm prepared to believe the Yanks on this one. And I'm no fan of the Yanks.

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Would these be the same journalists that are reporting Bin Laden's death without any evidence or even seeing his body?