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Old Mar 16th 2008, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by chris and farideh
I think Australia is brilliant when it comes to Multiculturalism, on Thursday 20 of March is Iranian/Persian New Year ( Iranian/ Persian is the same thing, just a few dont like to be called Iranian with the troubles happing in my birth country).
This Tuesday which is very special day in our calender, with the support of Gold Coast Council, they are helping out with all Iranian/Persian to have big celebration party, how brilliant is that.
In Most countries they only do big celebration for chinese New year, here they value every culture.
I only found out about it when I went into Gold Coast web site.
Hey Farideh,
Glad you mentioned the Persian/Iranian day as I have a few Iranian friends here on the GC - I can now congratulate them on Tuesday

Dalhousie, what a fantastic post.
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Originally Posted by dalhousie
Happy Persian New Year, Chris and Farideh. I must admit I was unaware of a Persian New Year (what year is it on your calandar anyway).

Hope the day goes well and that the upcoming year brings you peace and happiness.
Its not the New year until Thursday 20 of March at 04:48:19 PM in Australia, so time be different depends which part of the world you are, which would become the first day of Spring & that's what we celebrate, its not religious, if you are Iranian regardless of your religion you celebrate it.

The official Iranian year would be 2557, but unofficial one which is run by the Islamic Republic is sadly would be 1387, we've got to go with that one as they are running the country sadly.

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Originally Posted by chris and farideh
I think Australia is brilliant when it comes to Multiculturalism, on Thursday 20 of March is Iranian/Persian New Year ( Iranian/ Persian is the same thing, just a few dont like to be called Iranian with the troubles happing in my birth country).
This Tuesday which is very special day in our calender, with the support of Gold Coast Council, they are helping out with all Iranian/Persian to have big celebration party, how brilliant is that.
In Most countries they only do big celebration for chinese New year, here they value every culture.
I only found out about it when I went into Gold Coast web site.

That's one of the things I like most about Australia, the fact that people can celebrate their heritage without fear of repercussion (in most areas).

We went into Brisbane yesterday to watch the St Patrick's Day Parade, it was lovely to see all the shades of green walking through the city.

I'd love to see how you celebrate Persian New Year, but it's a school day and too far to come down to the Gold Coast during school hours to see. Also, I like my lad to see how other cultures celebrate. You'll have to let us all know when the Persian New Year is going to fall on a weekend day so that we can get there another time.

Do you know why it's being held at the GC rather than in the city? Are there more Persians on the GC?

Hope you and your family have a brilliant day!

Happy New Year when it comes around

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That's one of the things I like most about Australia, the fact that people can celebrate their heritage without fear of repercussion (in most areas).

We went into Brisbane yesterday to watch the St Patrick's Day Parade, it was lovely to see all the shades of green walking through the city.

I'd love to see how you celebrate Persian New Year, but it's a school day and too far to come down to the Gold Coast during school hours to see. Also, I like my lad to see how other cultures celebrate. You'll have to let us all know when the Persian New Year is going to fall on a weekend day so that we can get there another time.

Do you know why it's being held at the GC rather than in the city? Are there more Persians on the GC?

Hope you and your family have a brilliant day!

Happy New Year when it comes around

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Different council areas. If Gold Coast Council are sponsoring it they wouldn't hod it in the city, they'd want it on their own turf
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I think that multi-culturalism only 'works' as long as all the particpants play be the same 'rules'.

It also works in Australia and Britain because most Aussies and Brits are more,not less tolerant of other cultures.
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I'm all for multiculturalism. I love the fact that my nation's identity and culture is not based purely on one single race, culture or ethnic group. I love the diversity.

Originally Posted by chris and farideh
I think Australia is brilliant when it comes to Multiculturalism, on Thursday 20 of March is Iranian/Persian New Year ( Iranian/ Persian is the same thing, just a few dont like to be called Iranian with the troubles happing in my birth country).
This Tuesday which is very special day in our calender, with the support of Gold Coast Council, they are helping out with all Iranian/Persian to have big celebration party, how brilliant is that.
In Most countries they only do big celebration for chinese New year, here they value every culture.
I only found out about it when I went into Gold Coast web site.
Farideh, are you Zoroastrian?

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I have absolutly no problem with multiculturism, i have friends that are polish, african, indian,chinese, british.

But im sorry, what i object to is walking down the high street to be pleaded with to buy the big issue from several romanians.

I know that we are migrating to oz but we have had, like everyone else on here, extensive medicals, police checks, skills assesments, the knowledge that we have to work when we get there, we have had to sign a declaration (state sponseres) to promise to take a certain amount of money to support us and our families.

Teenagers arent getting their BCG's here anymore but i have spoken to people recently who have had immigrants working on their husbands building sites and they are coughing up blood...TB?????

My sister lived in an 11th floor flat in erith with 2 small children, but when erith council built more houses she was refused one because the immigrants wouldnt accept a flat!!

So while im all for immigrants coming in and are willing to work and integrate with the community and provide for their families etc etc. i do object to the ones coming in and just waiting in line for their hand out.

Im not going to apologise for my opinion and sure someone will have something to quote me on!

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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Different council areas. If Gold Coast Council are sponsoring it they wouldn't hod it in the city, they'd want it on their own turf
It's a shame though that they couldn't do anything over a weekend period so that more people could take part.

Not that I would expect it only to be celebrated to suit the masses, but the St Patrick's Day in the city is over three days, ending on St Patrick's Day.

Chinese New Year is over a week long period so we always get to see at least one part of the Chinese celebration.

When we lived in the CBD we went to every parade there was, it was a great way to start our new life in Australia.

We try to get to as many of the different celebrations we can so that we can see who else is living here and try to find out as much as we can about the differing cultures here.

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I have absolutly no problem with multiculturism, i have friends that are polish, african, indian,chinese, british.

But im sorry, what i object to is walking down the high street to be pleaded with to buy the big issue from several romanians.

I know that we are migrating to oz but we have had, like everyone else on here, extensive medicals, police checks, skills assesments, the knowledge that we have to work when we get there, we have had to sign a declaration (state sponseres) to promise to take a certain amount of money to support us and our families.

Teenagers arent getting their BCG's here anymore but i have spoken to people recently who have had immigrants working on their husbands building sites and they are coughing up blood...TB?????

My sister lived in an 11th floor flat in erith with 2 small children, but when erith council built more houses she was refused one because the immigrants wouldnt accept a flat!!

So while im all for immigrants coming in and are willing to work and integrate with the community and provide for their families etc etc. i do object to the ones coming in and just waiting in line for their hand out.

Im not going to apologise for my opinion and sure someone will have something to quote me on!

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If you are a Bulgarian or Romanian national you are free to come to the United Kingdom to live. You will need to be able to support yourself and family in the United Kingdom without the help of public funds.

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Public funds are income-related benefits paid by the state. They include income support, income-based job seekers allowance, housing and homelessness assistance, housing and council tax benefit, working families' tax credit, a social fund payment, child benefit and any disability allowance.

Benefits paid as a result of contributions, such as the state pension, are not considered to be public funds. Social housing is not considered to be a public fund either. Claiming public funds when you are not eligible is known as benefit fraud and it is a criminal offence.
So they can get housing, but not paid benefits. Interesting.

I think it's a bad idea to provide housing, since it places a heavy strain on the services and increases resentment amongst the local population. People should be encouraged to pay their own way when they come over here, just like I had to do.
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So they can get housing, but not paid benefits. Interesting.

I think it's a bad idea to provide housing, since it places a heavy strain on the services and increases resentment amongst the local population. People should be encouraged to pay their own way when they come over here, just like I had to do.
We wanted to apply for UK before we looked at Australia, but didn't qualify since we couldn't show enough assets to prove we could support ourselves should be be unemployed for any length of time.
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So they can get housing, but not paid benefits. Interesting.

I think it's a bad idea to provide housing, since it places a heavy strain on the services and increases resentment amongst the local population. People should be encouraged to pay their own way when they come over here, just like I had to do.
I think they still have to pay for it, they are just entitled to apply to live in "social housing".
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I think they still have to pay for it, they are just entitled to apply to live in "social housing".
You're right. They still have to pay rent, but it is just lowered like for anyone else who can't afford full price.
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We wanted to apply for UK before we looked at Australia, but didn't qualify since we couldn't show enough assets to prove we could support ourselves should be be unemployed for any length of time.
I had to do the same thing when I came to the UK on my ancestry visa.

I had to accept that I would have no access to public funds, and I had to show that I had savings of around $5,000 to support myself during period of unemployment.

This was only possible because I sold my house and bought a cheap investment property, which gave me enough money to pay off my debts and leave some cash in the bank.

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I think they still have to pay for it, they are just entitled to apply to live in "social housing".
That's good news, but it still creates a problem for the local areas in which social housing is already under pressure.

I think more consideration should be given to the socio-economic side-effects.
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