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Old Jun 4th 2009, 4:15 am
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Default Re: Indian Media should apologise to OZ

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
hmmmm Indian Media apologise to the Aussies? Get real! Aus media is just as sensationalist if not more!
Well the Aussie media has to sensationalise something. Other than that the only reporting would be "dog got lost after being taken for a walk".
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Old Jun 4th 2009, 4:17 am
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Originally Posted by Deancm
If they want to do that then maybe Australia should put a block on all immigration from India.
I once worked with an Angolan Indian guy, when I worked at Vodafone, way back in the day.

He used his religion of Hinduism as an excuse for justifying an incredibly racist way of life and view-point.

However, I am intelligent enough (subjective) to realise that this is just one case though and apart from that incident all the other Indians that I have befriended have been really good people.
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I was remarkably unimpressed by the letters to The Australian yesterday all saying "aww, yeah, but it can't be racist because things in India are even shittier so screw them!" and "yeah, but isn't this just a backlash against immigration and Kevin Rudd" - as if either of those comments made any sense whatsoever.
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Default Re: Indian bashing/Yesterdays demonstration

Originally Posted by mohogony
if an Indian gets bashed or mugged its called a racist attack even if the attackers are Vietnamese or Pacific islanders.
Leaving aside the fact that you're presenting assertion as fact without any citations, if it's racially motivated then it should be recorded as such regardless of what race the attacker is. Vietnamese and Pacific Islanders can be just as racist as whites, can't they? I mean, there's no monopoly on bigotry or ignorance...
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Originally Posted by IndieG
Are you saying it is illegal, if so then why isn't the Govt. doing something to stop this abuse? Surely it is not just Indians that take advantage of this easy route to PR?
The government is starting to do something about it. One of the issues is the colleges love it because international students pay a premium.

Not just Indians, but mainly Indians and Chinese.
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Old Jun 4th 2009, 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by shears
Just what I was about to say - makes you laugh when you read this kind of stuff - easy me ar*e
Open you eyes. I came on PR and have helped people come as students studying hospitality at TAFE. Entrance for the latter was much easier to achieve. It is a low stress course which facilitates working at the same time to fund the course & living costs. Many restaurants have these students working in excess of the 20 hour/week limit on pay below minimum wage requirements.
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Originally Posted by DunRoaminTheUK
He used his religion of Hinduism as an excuse for justifying an incredibly racist way of life and view-point.
I hate it when people use religion to discriminate - am very sure that it had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with him just being a xxxxx.....

Thank God for the way my parents brought me up and the way my grandparents brought them up....
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Originally Posted by mpgrewal
Did you notice a pattern here, most of the attacks occur in trains, trams and train stations. Why not hire some security guards who patrol in trains and others who dedicately patrol (during odd hours) at train stations and frisk suspicious looking blokes.. If something dangerous like a knive, weapon is found, they should be immediately arrested, if they can't justify its possession. This will dramatically bring down the assault rate.. I reckon, guards won't be more than 1000.. or even less.. Lot can be done by aussie govt to make the city safe.

Other pattern which I saw crimes are done by thugs who roam in herds... Why not police start quizzing blokes who look ganged up for a potential assault.
Already have security on trains here in Perth after dark on most trains.The problem being the stations and their environs.There are so few people alighting at the smaller stations at night that probably not really practical to have security on all.
Also once out of railway property the way is usually dark and with the potential to be dangerous.
Heard on the radio this morning of an attack at Oats Street Station at midnight last night.Two badly injured,one with stab wounds and other with a smashed bottle across head.
Usually unless very serious is not reported in the media but is not such a rare event.
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Originally Posted by ossigeno
The government is starting to do something about it. One of the issues is the colleges love it because international students pay a premium.

Not just Indians, but mainly Indians and Chinese.
Education is Australia's third largest export and the only one that doesn't involve digging stuff out the ground. It's a massive moneyspinner for NSW and Vic especially. We employ more people than most.
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Originally Posted by Deancm
Well the Aussie media has to sensationalise something. Other than that the only reporting would be "dog got lost after being taken for a walk".
Think that the Aussie press tends to comply and keep a lid on matters dealing with race but even they found it difficult to sweep under the carpet matters relating to violence against the Indian Student Community.
Interesting to note normally Right Wing media columnists,namely Gerard Henderson(West Australian,June 2) and another fellow from The Australian(name escapes me at the moment) voiced concern and criticized Vic police refusal to accept any racial element in the crimes even after a number reported abuse did occur.
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Default Re: Is Melbourne safe for indian

Originally Posted by ShawnMcCrea
Or you could move to TORONTO, Canada There are over 500,000 Indian people here and the city loves being multicultural.
And what are the violence stats there? Perhaps Toronto can show us in Australia, the way in how a city with real cultural diversity can function?
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Think that the Aussie press tends to comply and keep a lid on matters dealing with race but even they found it difficult to sweep under the carpet matters relating to violence against the Indian Student Community.
Interesting to note normally Right Wing media columnists,namely Gerard Henderson(West Australian,June 2) and another fellow from The Australian(name escapes me at the moment) voiced concern and criticized Vic police refusal to accept any racial element in the crimes even after a number reported abuse did occur.
To me, this is a more disturbing account from one of the victims:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/4606234.cms

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Kanan says that the police did not offer any help like arranging ambulance or offering first aid. "They kept asking questions like what did they do to you and who are they. [When we asked for medical help, they simply said, 'take a taxi. We know what our job is, you bloody overseas'," he recalls.

Joy Shah, 23, came from Ahmedabad to study hotel management in Holmes College, Melbourne. He says that the police demand proof of assault or abuse in order to take action. "How can we give proof of abuse?" says Shah.

Kanan recalls that after getting beaten up at the station, he reached Western Hospital Footscray. He says that no doctor attended to him for more than 8 and half hours as he waited bleeding and in pain. Discharged within 24 hours despite offering to pay whatever the cost, he says, "They simply said, come for a follow-up later."

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To me, this is a more disturbing account from one of the victims:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/4606234.cms

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Kanan says that the police did not offer any help like arranging ambulance or offering first aid. "They kept asking questions like what did they do to you and who are they. [When we asked for medical help, they simply said, 'take a taxi. We know what our job is, you bloody overseas'," he recalls.

Joy Shah, 23, came from Ahmedabad to study hotel management in Holmes College, Melbourne. He says that the police demand proof of assault or abuse in order to take action. "How can we give proof of abuse?" says Shah.

Kanan recalls that after getting beaten up at the station, he reached Western Hospital Footscray. He says that no doctor attended to him for more than 8 and half hours as he waited bleeding and in pain. Discharged within 24 hours despite offering to pay whatever the cost, he says, "They simply said, come for a follow-up later."

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This is pure discrimination isn't it.. Can't believe the doctors and emergency whom people believe as saviors can do this to someone? Very sad .. Good that media has brought this to light..

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This is pure discrimination isn't it.. Can't believe the doctors and emergency whom people believe as saviors can do this to someone? Very sad .. Good that media has brought this to light..
Hospital emergency departments prioritize treatment of patients. It is called triage. It is highly discriminatory:
"The term comes from the French verb trier, meaning to separate, sort, sift or select."

Emercency departments will treat life threatening conditions such as heart attack, stroke and road accident victims before they treat blackened eyes. Indian or otherwise.
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Originally Posted by mpgrewal
This is pure discrimination isn't it.. Can't believe the doctors and emergency whom people believe as saviors can do this to someone? Very sad .. Good that media has brought this to light..
Not sure about discrimination(although it exists far more than people seem to want to admit to)but sure says a lot about the medical system in this country.
To my mind Australia far too often seems to accept an inferior service in so many aspects of daily life and the populace seldom demands better.
If one thing that may come out of this debate is that it has been shown a number of foreign students are unhappy with Australia in terms of their personal safety and standards of education available to them in this country(not new,has been voiced for years)
Also exposes the myth that Australia is a completely harmonious multi racial society in the way many would claim.(This does not necessary infer it is a racist society,but still learning perhaps to accept difference)
Any challenges to this view would appear to have only a limited voice as spin deafens any dissent to a large degree.
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