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Old Oct 11th 2020, 5:00 am
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So you consider they possess 'the right balance'?
They have a better balance than a Chairman Dan lockdown.

The sad part is, the redneck general aligns with far right wing values and yet Palaszczuk is jumping on that bandwagon to secure votes leaving the values of her party behind.

She is a fake and a disgrace.
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Old Oct 11th 2020, 8:20 am
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They have a better balance than a Chairman Dan lockdown.

The sad part is, the redneck general aligns with far right wing values and yet Palaszczuk is jumping on that bandwagon to secure votes leaving the values of her party behind.

She is a fake and a disgrace.
A bit of a shame you are unable to articulate the problem beyond Murdoch terminology. Andrews is no Chairman. He is part and parcel of the overall rot overall where both parties are irrelevant
to the solution, as things stand. Hence the rise of far right wing and or red neck popularism.
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Mis-information unless New Zealand isn't a western country
New Zealand does not have a travel ban for citizens or PRs. It just has a do not travel advisory like many others.

It has quarantine on arrival, but that's not what the troubadour was referring to.
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New Zealand does not have a travel ban for citizens or PRs. It just has a do not travel advisory like many others.

It has quarantine on arrival, but that's not what the troubadour was referring to.
So it doesn't prevent people leaving. So that makes Australia the only country in the democratic world to have restrictions then. Quarantine, of course is
the procedure in numerous countries.

What I was contemplating was the lack of A Bill of Rights in Australia does make us potentially experiencing less freedoms than most the democratic world,
if the powers that be, will it to be so.
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Old Oct 12th 2020, 3:43 am
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New Zealand does not have a travel ban for citizens or PRs. It just has a do not travel advisory like many others.

It has quarantine on arrival, but that's not what the troubadour was referring to.
OK then Australia looks like the only country where a reason needs to be submitted. We should be free to travel without filling out the forms, which is very expansive and really just eliminates the month long holiday in Europe or the week long piss up in Bali. Still it should be our choice.

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A bit of a shame you are unable to articulate the problem beyond Murdoch terminology. Andrews is no Chairman. He is part and parcel of the overall rot overall where both parties are irrelevant
to the solution, as things stand. Hence the rise of far right wing and or red neck popularism.
I believe they call him Dictator Dan, either way its correct. They guy is a control freak and protecting the police against having to manage zones differently and their role in advising for private security. Can't see him surviving.
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OK then Australia looks like the only country where a reason needs to be submitted. We should be free to travel without filling out the forms, which is very expansive and really just eliminates the month long holiday in Europe or the week long piss up in Bali. Still it should be our choice.
We mustn't forget that Australia used to be a penal colony. Welcome to the good prison ship Australia!
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We mustn't forget that Australia used to be a penal colony. Welcome to the good prison ship Australia!
If the states remove the cap capper then we can leave with filling out forms.
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If the states remove the cap capper then we can leave with filling out forms.
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Too many people wanting to get back, not enough flights because of state caps, creating lots of hardship. Govt are making it harder to leave for short trips not to bombard the "getting back" situation.
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Too many people wanting to get back, not enough flights because of state caps, creating lots of hardship. Govt are making it harder to leave for short trips not to bombard the "getting back" situation.
The travel ban was in place before hotel quarantine was a thing and months before the arrival caps were introduced. So no, that's not the reason it exists.
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The travel ban was in place before hotel quarantine was a thing and months before the arrival caps were introduced. So no, that's not the reason it exists.
Yep. The travel ban was one of the first things introduced and the caps are just another reason to keep it in place. Remove the caps, which are as crazy as the travel ban, then those reasons to keep the travel ban in place diminish.

The caps also give airlines are reason to reduce international service, killing airline jobs, and making hard, almost impossible for people to get back from places like Europe.
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Too many people wanting to get back, not enough flights because of state caps, creating lots of hardship. Govt are making it harder to leave for short trips not to bombard the "getting back" situation.
I assumed that was what you had been trying to say, but always better to clarify than assume.

With quarantining in hotels and the need to monitor returning travellers, I can understand the need to cap the number of returnees. Hopefully, some of the new rapid testing with prove reliable enough to increase caps / reduce the need for quarantining. Unfortunately, as people cannot be trusted to do the right thing without enforced quarantine, I cannot see that changing for the near future (particularly with the increasing levels of infection being seen in Europe and elsewhere).
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I assumed that was what you had been trying to say, but always better to clarify than assume.

With quarantining in hotels and the need to monitor returning travellers, I can understand the need to cap the number of returnees. Hopefully, some of the new rapid testing with prove reliable enough to increase caps / reduce the need for quarantining. Unfortunately, as people cannot be trusted to do the right thing without enforced quarantine, I cannot see that changing for the near future (particularly with the increasing levels of infection being seen in Europe and elsewhere).
BinaxNow being tested on Trump. Looks like he's the guinea pig for Regeneron too. $5 a pop results in 15 minutes. A far better short term investment than the vaccine.

There is plenty more scope for quarantine in Australia. Time to open up Melbourne to carry the quarantine load - I am sure they have learned from their mistakes.

Its all about risk management, not risk avoidance. Too many upsides to outward and inward overseas travel not to move forward NOW.

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I believe they call him Dictator Dan, either way its correct. They guy is a control freak and protecting the police against having to manage zones differently and their role in advising for private security. Can't see him surviving.
Considering the infection rate the paramount task was prevention of losing control of numbers. This appears to have been achieved. Who can tell over the longer period if this situation prevails? He's no more a control freak than all too many in position these days.
I have already brought to attention the ease that 'rights' can be eroded and worse for the individual, within the context of the lack of any proclaimed rights set down in writing in Australia.
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