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Old Jul 3rd 2010 | 8:30 pm
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Anyone read this?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...15643281?f=rss

Doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

What do you reckon?

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Old Jul 3rd 2010 | 8:43 pm
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Default Re: Should wife have got away with murder?

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
Anyone read this?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...15643281?f=rss

Doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

What do you reckon?
If it is true that she suffered what she claims, then I think acquital is a good thing. Saw way too much violence against women that wasn't dealt with properly by the law when I was a copper. BUT...what if what she claims isn't true?

However, if her claims of violence against her have been reported and properly recorded and there is evidence of it, this would be a safe decision by the judge.

I think the judge would only make this decision with supporting evidence, knowing how easily it could be appealed and turned over without that evidence.
 
Old Jul 3rd 2010 | 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by alistairboyle
If it is true that she suffered what she claims, then I think acquital is a good thing. Saw way too much violence against women that wasn't dealt with properly by the law when I was a copper. BUT...what if what she claims isn't true?

However, if her claims of violence against her have been reported and properly recorded and there is evidence of it, this would be a safe decision by the judge.

I think the judge would only make this decision with supporting evidence, knowing how easily it could be appealed and turned over without that evidence.
So, if a woman stays in a very destructive relationship - it's better for her to kill the vermin that has mistreated her all those years than to walk away from him
 
Old Jul 3rd 2010 | 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
So, if a woman stays in a very destructive relationship - it's better for her to kill the vermin that has mistreated her all those years than to walk away from him
Hmm....... without knowing more of the details, I would say its possibly easier to kill in the heat of the moment than to walk away.....
 
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Default Re: Should wife have got away with murder?

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Hmm....... without knowing more of the details, I would say its possibly easier to kill in the heat of the moment than to walk away.....
Apparently she fed him cooked prawns to make him drowsy, then sometime later shot him in the head, then some time later again gave him another bullet in the head. Then finally some hours later took a doona and placed it over him to suffocate him to make sure he was finished.

She admitted these things.

Does the law not say we need to determine if

a) someone did it?
b) whether what they did constitutes murder or manslaughter?

And impose a penalty accordingly?

So, given the emotion of her being [without a doubt] abused, is this reason to ignore a & b above?

What message does this send out? That its better to put up with abuse for years and kill the abuser because even if you admit it, you will walk away free

Isn't the law to protect everyone from killing anyone
 
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Playing devils advocate here, it's not as easy as it sounds to "just walk away", sometimes violence gets so bad that towards the end the only way you can ever see to get this person out of your life is to end theirs.

There are of course restraining orders etc etc, but how effective is a piece of paper against an evil abusive partner who is now the most angry he/she has ever been because the victim has dared to take a stance and go through the system the correct way???

Answer not very effective at all, when your front door is being kicked in and you are scared for your life.
 
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Default Re: Should wife have got away with murder?

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
Anyone read this?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...15643281?f=rss

Doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

What do you reckon?
She admitted it all and should have been found guilty... end of story. No excuses about 'mistreatment'. If it was as bad as she claims, then she leaves, she doesn't commit murder.

Shocking failure of the legal system.
 
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What about the three men that removed and dumped the body for her?
They must have known exactly what they were doing and hadn't suffered 20 years of abuse but they got off too.
 
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Originally Posted by mandymoochops
Playing devils advocate here, it's not as easy as it sounds to "just walk away", sometimes violence gets so bad that towards the end the only way you can ever see to get this person out of your life is to end theirs.

There are of course restraining orders etc etc, but how effective is a piece of paper against an evil abusive partner who is now the most angry he/she has ever been because the victim has dared to take a stance and go through the system the correct way???

Answer not very effective at all, when your front door is being kicked in and you are scared for your life.
I understand all this however the law is in place to stop humans killing each other full stop. This means if it gets bad, find a way to stop it other than kill the person concerned. The other thing to consider in this case was, it wasn't like he had a gun and she took it off him and used it in self defence. She basically cracked and took a gun to his head while he was asleep.

Don't get me wrong, this moron won't be missed. He was horrendous to his missus and kids however does that give someone the right to take the law intotheir own hands and wipe him out Maybe women who are raped or kids even, maybe their parents have the right to do the same?

Or maybe the law is there for a reason.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
She admitted it all and should have been found guilty... end of story. No excuses about 'mistreatment'. If it was as bad as she claims, then she leaves, she doesn't commit murder.

Shocking failure of the legal system.
I reckon it was as bad as she mentioned as her kids were also petrified of their "father". However the fact remains she killed this shit, so should have maybe got manslaughter throgh diminished responsibility or whatever, but to walk away sends a message it's ok if you think you have been mistreated to kill someone rather than walk away and seek help and legal recourse

Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza
What about the three men that removed and dumped the body for her?
They must have known exactly what they were doing and hadn't suffered 20 years of abuse but they got off too.
Yep, crazy. Result based on emotion rather than logic or law or common sense re future repercussions
 
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Not exactly a spur of the moment crime then? I mean, I can see how someone can lash out and kill after a long time in an abusive relationship, but to put that amount of planning into it puts a different light on things. To lash out instead of leaving, I can understand that, leaving isn't always the easier option, but this sounds like a lot of planning went into things, so maybe some level of punishment, mitigated because of diminished responsibility? To just walk away doesn't send the right message to anyone really.
 
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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter

I reckon it was as bad as she mentioned as her kids were also petrified of their "father". However the fact remains she killed this shit, so should have maybe got manslaughter throgh diminished responsibility or whatever, but to walk away sends a message it's ok if you think you have been mistreated to kill someone rather than walk away and seek help and legal recourse

Exactly. The extenuating circumstances come into play during the sentencing and not at the point of deciding guilt. The jury made a mistake, plain and simple.
 
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Exactly. The extenuating circumstances come into play during the sentencing and not at the point of deciding guilt. The jury made a mistake, plain and simple.
I think I read somewhere it only took the jury a few hours to let her walk away. Alledgedly they decided fairly quickly because the guy was an abusive husband. Jury's are a joke
 
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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter
I think I read somewhere it only took the jury a few hours to let her walk away. Alledgedly they decided fairly quickly because the guy was an abusive husband. Jury's are a joke
Yep, I seem to remember now when the case first hit the papers here, the decision was really quick. Its like Creature said earlier, the Jury seemed to decide on the basis of whether what she did was "justified," rather than whether what she did was "Wrong" - not quite what I understand the role of a Jury to be....
 


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