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sonlymewalter Jul 3rd 2010 8:30 pm

Should wife have got away with murder?
 
Anyone read this?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...15643281?f=rss

Doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

What do you reckon?

Sherlock Holmes Jul 3rd 2010 8:43 pm

Re: Should wife have got away with murder?
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8676371)
Anyone read this?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...15643281?f=rss

Doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

What do you reckon?

If it is true that she suffered what she claims, then I think acquital is a good thing. Saw way too much violence against women that wasn't dealt with properly by the law when I was a copper. BUT...what if what she claims isn't true?

However, if her claims of violence against her have been reported and properly recorded and there is evidence of it, this would be a safe decision by the judge.

I think the judge would only make this decision with supporting evidence, knowing how easily it could be appealed and turned over without that evidence.

sonlymewalter Jul 3rd 2010 8:50 pm

Re: Should wife have got away with murder?
 

Originally Posted by alistairboyle (Post 8676387)
If it is true that she suffered what she claims, then I think acquital is a good thing. Saw way too much violence against women that wasn't dealt with properly by the law when I was a copper. BUT...what if what she claims isn't true?

However, if her claims of violence against her have been reported and properly recorded and there is evidence of it, this would be a safe decision by the judge.

I think the judge would only make this decision with supporting evidence, knowing how easily it could be appealed and turned over without that evidence.

So, if a woman stays in a very destructive relationship - it's better for her to kill the vermin that has mistreated her all those years than to walk away from him:confused:

Pollyana Jul 3rd 2010 8:55 pm

Re: Should wife have got away with murder?
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8676393)
So, if a woman stays in a very destructive relationship - it's better for her to kill the vermin that has mistreated her all those years than to walk away from him:confused:

Hmm....... without knowing more of the details, I would say its possibly easier to kill in the heat of the moment than to walk away.....

sonlymewalter Jul 3rd 2010 9:03 pm

Re: Should wife have got away with murder?
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 8676400)
Hmm....... without knowing more of the details, I would say its possibly easier to kill in the heat of the moment than to walk away.....

Apparently she fed him cooked prawns to make him drowsy, then sometime later shot him in the head, then some time later again gave him another bullet in the head. Then finally some hours later took a doona and placed it over him to suffocate him to make sure he was finished.

She admitted these things.

Does the law not say we need to determine if

a) someone did it?
b) whether what they did constitutes murder or manslaughter?

And impose a penalty accordingly?

So, given the emotion of her being [without a doubt] abused, is this reason to ignore a & b above?

What message does this send out? That its better to put up with abuse for years and kill the abuser because even if you admit it, you will walk away free:confused:

Isn't the law to protect everyone from killing anyone:blink:

mandymoochops Jul 3rd 2010 9:09 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 
Playing devils advocate here, it's not as easy as it sounds to "just walk away", sometimes violence gets so bad that towards the end the only way you can ever see to get this person out of your life is to end theirs.

There are of course restraining orders etc etc, but how effective is a piece of paper against an evil abusive partner who is now the most angry he/she has ever been because the victim has dared to take a stance and go through the system the correct way???

Answer not very effective at all, when your front door is being kicked in and you are scared for your life.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Jul 3rd 2010 9:24 pm

Re: Should wife have got away with murder?
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8676371)
Anyone read this?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...15643281?f=rss

Doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

What do you reckon?

She admitted it all and should have been found guilty... end of story. No excuses about 'mistreatment'. If it was as bad as she claims, then she leaves, she doesn't commit murder.

Shocking failure of the legal system.

Lorna at Vicenza Jul 3rd 2010 9:26 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 
What about the three men that removed and dumped the body for her?
They must have known exactly what they were doing and hadn't suffered 20 years of abuse but they got off too.

sonlymewalter Jul 3rd 2010 9:37 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 8676426)
Playing devils advocate here, it's not as easy as it sounds to "just walk away", sometimes violence gets so bad that towards the end the only way you can ever see to get this person out of your life is to end theirs.

There are of course restraining orders etc etc, but how effective is a piece of paper against an evil abusive partner who is now the most angry he/she has ever been because the victim has dared to take a stance and go through the system the correct way???

Answer not very effective at all, when your front door is being kicked in and you are scared for your life.

I understand all this however the law is in place to stop humans killing each other full stop. This means if it gets bad, find a way to stop it other than kill the person concerned. The other thing to consider in this case was, it wasn't like he had a gun and she took it off him and used it in self defence. She basically cracked and took a gun to his head while he was asleep.

Don't get me wrong, this moron won't be missed. He was horrendous to his missus and kids however does that give someone the right to take the law intotheir own hands and wipe him out:confused: Maybe women who are raped or kids even, maybe their parents have the right to do the same?:blink:

Or maybe the law is there for a reason.


Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8676443)
She admitted it all and should have been found guilty... end of story. No excuses about 'mistreatment'. If it was as bad as she claims, then she leaves, she doesn't commit murder.

Shocking failure of the legal system.

I reckon it was as bad as she mentioned as her kids were also petrified of their "father". However the fact remains she killed this shit, so should have maybe got manslaughter throgh diminished responsibility or whatever, but to walk away sends a message it's ok if you think you have been mistreated to kill someone rather than walk away and seek help and legal recourse:blink:


Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza (Post 8676448)
What about the three men that removed and dumped the body for her?
They must have known exactly what they were doing and hadn't suffered 20 years of abuse but they got off too.

Yep, crazy. Result based on emotion rather than logic or law or common sense re future repercussions:blink:

Pollyana Jul 3rd 2010 10:03 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 
Not exactly a spur of the moment crime then? I mean, I can see how someone can lash out and kill after a long time in an abusive relationship, but to put that amount of planning into it puts a different light on things. To lash out instead of leaving, I can understand that, leaving isn't always the easier option, but this sounds like a lot of planning went into things, so maybe some level of punishment, mitigated because of diminished responsibility? To just walk away doesn't send the right message to anyone really.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Jul 3rd 2010 10:04 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8676460)

I reckon it was as bad as she mentioned as her kids were also petrified of their "father". However the fact remains she killed this shit, so should have maybe got manslaughter throgh diminished responsibility or whatever, but to walk away sends a message it's ok if you think you have been mistreated to kill someone rather than walk away and seek help and legal recourse:blink:


Exactly. The extenuating circumstances come into play during the sentencing and not at the point of deciding guilt. The jury made a mistake, plain and simple.

Bernieboy Jul 3rd 2010 10:08 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 
Make her a BE MOD,she would soon sort out some of our trouble makers;)

sonlymewalter Jul 3rd 2010 10:10 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8676494)
Exactly. The extenuating circumstances come into play during the sentencing and not at the point of deciding guilt. The jury made a mistake, plain and simple.

I think I read somewhere it only took the jury a few hours to let her walk away. Alledgedly they decided fairly quickly because the guy was an abusive husband. Jury's are a joke:blink:

Pollyana Jul 3rd 2010 10:18 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 

Originally Posted by Bernie Barfly (Post 8676500)
Make her a BE MOD,she would soon sort out some of our trouble makers;)

:rofl: mass cull of form posters by feeding them on dodgy seafood......hang on, what was it you were eatng in that bar the other week :eek: :eek:

Pollyana Jul 3rd 2010 10:20 pm

Re: Is the law an ass or is it fair?
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8676503)
I think I read somewhere it only took the jury a few hours to let her walk away. Alledgedly they decided fairly quickly because the guy was an abusive husband. Jury's are a joke:blink:

Yep, I seem to remember now when the case first hit the papers here, the decision was really quick. Its like Creature said earlier, the Jury seemed to decide on the basis of whether what she did was "justified," rather than whether what she did was "Wrong" - not quite what I understand the role of a Jury to be....


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