Originally Posted by renth

That's what I thought. We stitched up the Palestinians and ballsed up the process the same way as when we partitioned India.

So do you reckon that's why Jewish people hate us then?

Is there anyone who doesn't hate the British? (and YES, Jocks and Taffs I'm including you in this cos whether you like it or not you are British.)

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack

It's clear to me though that some Australians get a bit anti-English when it comes to Gallipoli. I sometimes think it is more a 'us and them' (commanders and men, and a country getting absorbed in an Empire's work) tragic episode rather than an English hate tirade. I think the responsible education message is to show the film but ensure that the failings of WW1 tactics/Australian commanders are discussed. After all, history is about opinions.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

History is about opinions, but too many bring a modern viewpoint and attitude to events that happened years ago.

I spoke to my Grandad a lot about his service in WWI and if there was one thing that really could wind him up, even when he was in his 80's, it was comments like "a senseless loss of life" or the one that really got him going "was all those men who gave their lives for nothing". He considered that statement to be the ultimate insult to all the friends, and brother, he lost in that war.
None of it was senseless or for nothing to him... and neither was it to the men who volunteered in their millions. They felt they had a role and a duty to perform.. and it was something they did willingly.

Originally Posted by renth

They spelled "Duty" with a capital D in those days.

Originally Posted by aussietobe

I am sorry, I just think you are being incredibly nit-picking. In fact, the Australian officers in the film are not portrayed sympathetically, and like a previous poster pointed, the commander with the upper crust British accent was actually an Australian - thats how some Aussies sounded back them. I had assumed he was British, I stand corrected. Nobody seriously dislikes the British because of the film "Gallipoli." The fact is, Australians went to war to help their Mother Country, Britain, and fought in a war that was patently ridiculous to satisfy the bloodlust of Eurepean politicians. No-one cares about the nitty gritty of what the Nek battle was, who helped who, in fact none of this is explained in any detail in the film (after all it is film aimed at the mainstream, not military experts) I think it is irrelevant. The film barely deals with the British, or indeeds offers any explanation for why WW1 broke out. In fact, Mel Gibson's character asks Archie what the war is about, and Archie basically doesn't know (typical of the public at that time) It is simply a film that shows the tragedy of trench warfare and how many Australians went of to war all gung-ho only to die, be maimed, and see their mates cut down, for basically nothing. I commend the film makers, the students love it, and it gets across the messages about warfare that few textbooks are able to do so. In case you didn't realise, Australia voted to remain a constititional monarchy in 1996, so obviously the millions of Australians who have watched Gallipoli clearly don't hate us for what happened at Gallipoli.

Originally Posted by kporte

It's a bit worrying that an history teacher regards students being given facts rather than whimsical fiction, "nit-picking" Have you got "Up Pompeii" lined up for teaching the rise and fall of the Roman Empire?

Originally Posted by renth

OK, I need a history lesson. What were the British supposed to have done to make the death camp survivors hate us then?

Didn't we create Israel for them?

Originally Posted by sr71

Sound like Harry is needed back in his home country - you know the one that isn't racist anymore or backwards like Australia.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/...rracial_rebuff

Originally Posted by The_Wookie

I've said it before and this whole story reinforces my opinion that Australia isn't necessarily racist in a 'vicious' way, but seems to have the same opinions that the UK had in the 1970s.

People seem to think it's okay to laugh at jokes with racist undertones ala Jim Davidson, Love Thy Neighbour, In Sickness and in Health etc.

I even experience it at work with jokes that go around the office. Stuff that you simply wouldn't experience (I would like to believe) in the UK.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

How about the NRL All Stars v Indigenous DreamTime team.

I can just see the Premier League coming up with the idea of a Black vs White game !!

Originally Posted by sr71

But it does occur, that's what I find so annoying, that so many from the UK and US are acting sanctimoniously about this whole thing.

Somehow people seem to be convinced that the UK and US are so much more advanced, yet in most respects their racism and bigotry runs much deeper and has much more genuine hatred and problems to it.

Originally Posted by kporte

It wasn't long ago they were throwing bananas on the pitch and making monkey noises in the uk......